Yeah its on the same scale as in 800 is the max, but the average scores are up 30 points and the number of test takers has increased dramatically. Plus scale in % has changed dramatically. for instance if you scored 640 in '97 you may be in n-th percentile but 2006 will probably be n-10 percentile or so. The only adjust for mean scores not percentiles year to year.
Do you have a link? I did a quick google search and just found a 2006 USA article talking about SAT scores declining. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-05-09-SAT-scores_x.htm) What's your position on this issue anyways? To me what you posted doesn't matter too much - everyone in the US takes the same test, it's not like she didn't get in because someone had a SAT score from 1997. And we're dealing with the raw scores, not what % in the nation she fell under. Fact is, she fell below their average SAT score for entering freshmen - I expect this to be thrown out of court.
I used to go to austin hs. If you came from the new territory side you were pretty well off. A 1220 is not a very good score. She shouldn't have got in.
Well, I'm an old duffer who graduated from The University of Texas at Austin in the days when money or SAT scores got you in. Since high schools are so disparate in quality, let native Texans who score in the top 10% of the SAT attend and the top 2% from other states attend, and the top 1% from other nations, only lowering those standards to fill the available slots. Then let the Australian rules apply. At the end of the year, the lowest 10% gradewise are dropped from school. The Aussies study like mad to stay out of the lowest 10%, and that's a good thing -- survival of the fittest. Maybe prospective frosh would learn to read and write.
ut may be somewhat hard to get into out of high school with the 10% rule... but it is a complete joke to transfer into after a freshman year at uta or something personally i think they should take more high school seniors and less freshman transfers
sorry, but this is a lie. you'd be classified as an international student for purposes of admission, and your SAT/TOEFL scores better be damn good, or you are not getting in.
No kidding. I wrote a huge paper about the 10% rule my junior year of college and how dumb it was. My prof wrote on the top of it, "So whats so great about UT? Go apply to Stanford or Rice if you're that smart" Made me stop and think.
UT Austin did not consider the writing section in its undergraduate admissions decision for the 2008 incoming freshman class.
Race should not even be on the application. They want it to be equal but still continue to put the "race box" on the application.
I can understand why they do though. I think most colleges strive to be more diverse - it makes for more interesting class. I'd rather be in a class with a bunch of people of different backgrounds that have different opinions than me. Makes for better class discussion and understanding, IMO.
Her case is not that she is the best SAT score or that she is average. Her case is that worse applicants were let in due to racial criteria after the top ten %. http://education.yahoo.com/college/facts/9414.html Don't know the legitamacy of the data....but her 540 crit reading would beat at least 14% of incoming freshmen. 630 math would beat 32 % of incoming freshmen. If true and a significant number of the 14% isn't the top ten percenters, she may be able to claim she is better than a lot of people admitted. Funny thing would be if she won case, but enough previously rejected, but superior to her, white/asian students get admitted over her to prevent her from qualifying. This is what I want....but I have an odd sense of humor/justice.
The small % of people she scored better than were not let in solely for their test scores but for such things as athletics, music, legacies etc. They may have thrown in a few talented minority students in there but it's pretty drastic to assume that those are the ones she is better than - if she can be alleged to be better than anyone at all. SHe got negged because she is not an impressive candidate. She could have gotten around that by getting into the top 10 but didn't even do that. Her case basically begins with the premise that she is worse acadmeicallly than 80+ of admitted freshman. She better be mother theresa outside of school. She did nothing to set herself apart. Say she scored 10 points higher than a hispanic kid who is bilingual. Why does that mean she gets the slot? Why can't I give the hispanic kid more points because he speaks two languages fluently and she can only speak one? Or maybe the non 10% minorities who got in took harder classes - who knows. At the discretionary level it's a tough road. She's got no beef. If she had impressive credentials it would be one thng, but shedoes not. Good luck at LSU or Baylor.
I'll tell you why. People today, not just spoiled white kids but people in general, are more narcassitic and feel they're entitled to everything no matter what the rules. That comes from crappy upbringing where parents don't set rules and limitations on their kids because they're 'special.' I graduated at 12% in my class and there is no way I would have thought twice about trying to apply to UT because that was the rule, period. Sense of entitlement that is falsely warranted is the story here and she's throwing a fit cause things aren't going her way.
I believe we should equally distribute funds for all public universities if the main objective of that 1996 ruling was to make the playing field more even. I mean maybe we should look at getting all the other public schools outside of ut-a to the same level. Two tier 1 schools seems like the problem when California has like 7 i think, not this effing top 10% standard that we've come to live and die by for our education. So are we suppose to punish a 14 year old b/c they might of messed up their first two years in high school. I'm more interested to see what her grades were for her jr and senior year. Actually dam, GPA and class rank should not be even disclosed until your junior year in my opinion.
If there is a racial criteria after 10%, it should go. While she is not impressive, I doubt athletes (not all athletes are as dumb as her), 10%, super qualified extracurricular applicants,etc, make up the 1000+ students she got beat by. Based on information available, if there is a minority criteria, some asian/white candidate is being discriminated against. Available data suggests she at least have a reason to be upset, let the courts decide.
She has absolutely no case. I graduated around the 16th percentile of my high school(a good one though, Bellaire). I still easily got accepted into UT on the basis of other achievements and a fairly high SAT score. And I know I didn't get in because of race, since most colleges probably have a negative quota on Asian American students. So I call BS here. If she truly were a great student, who got caught up in a numbers game, then UT would accept her. She just wasn't good enough.
Im a senior right now (although I didnt apply to UT), and a lot of kis I knw are pissed. I know about 5-6 people who have gpas around 4.5 and SATs around 1400 who didnt get in, yet some mexicans in my grade got in whith SAT scores in the 1100s and gpas in the lowere 3s (3.0-3.3)
