Good one. Nearly as good as your position in this thread. Anyway, yawn. If you could make any sort of rational argument to support position other than "race based admissions is just wrong" then maybe you'd have some credibility. buh bye.
This thread is so silly. The conservative position on affirmative action on education is so insincere. Conservative businessmen are the REASON for affirmative action in education. One of my professors, who is a constitutional and employment law expert and sits on the admissions committee at my law school, explained to our class how affirmative action started in education. Unlike what most people think, it has nothing to do with the civil rights movement or reparations. During the 60s, many European counties were starting to embrace this idea of multicultural and diverse employment. Large American businesses began running into trouble brokering international deals with European countries, because the teams they sent over to negotiate were all white. European businessmen began demanding that their American counterparts become more diverse in their employment, or they wouldn't do business with them. Now, these corporate bigwigs had a problem, because many of these firms only hired Ivy League graduates for the type of positions that the Europeans were complaining about. Sure, there were students from black universities that they could hire, but that wasn't good enough. They only hired from Harvard, Yale, Brown, and the like, which either didn't admit blacks or didn't in numbers large enough to meet the need. So, what to do? Well the only sensible thing at the time; if you're going to hire a negro, it darn better be a Harvard negro. So they exercised their influence and convinced the Ivys to create affirmative action programs. Eventually the rest of education followed suit. There you have it. If you don't like affirmative action in education, you can only blame the elitist corporate fat cats that started it.
Earlier in this thread I discussed ways to do SAT prep for low or no cost to persons who cannot afford it otherwise. I discussed all kinds of things. Go back a re-read them. I will tell you that a system that bases admission on "we have too much of group X, so this group X student is out...we are going to let this group Y student with a less rigorous HS courseload and lower SAT in because we want more of group Y" just feels wrong.
Yes, you have to deal with racism in primary and secondary educational disparities if you want to complain about the 18 year old suburban white girl and her college application. You don't b**** about the paint job on a car with no engine.
How does a HS graduation rate 24 points lower for blacks than whites feel to you? You are on the right track about offering SAT prep classes for low income families, but if the kids can't even graduate from HS then a prep class won't really be enough, will it? How about <$ for random wars overseas and >$ at home spent on education. That's a start. Lets tackle the root cause and not put a little patch on the problem or behave like CaseyH and still your whole head in the sand.
It feels crappy. There are many reasons for that though. Higher rates of teenage pregnancy, gang involvement, and a general lack of desire for education all occur at a much higher rate in poor urban environments. What we have been talking about is race as a factor in college admission. This assumes high school graduation. While this is a problem that needs to be addressed, it is largely irrelevant to the issue at hand. Again, we are talking about kids that qualify for admission to college. Some solid SAT prep and real guidance as to HS courses to take to prep for college and hiring teachers who are actually qualified would be a good idea. For years, I have advocated the elimination of the education major at colleges. If you want to teach chemistry, get a degree in chemistry. Only then will you have a teacher with the understanding of the subject matter to sufficiently teach bright students.
It's completely and absolutely relevant. This whole thread, 10% or AA, is a result of the trickle down effect of educational disparity.
