There are plenty of churches (all kinds) where my black ass wouldn't be welcome. I was actually told about on in the job I held last year. The guy that trained me in the IT department at a hospital in my town said that he didn't feel that way but if I were to come to his church the pastors would ask me to leave. He said that happened on one occasion where two college congregation members brought their black friend, all three were told to leave.
This is true and the school I am working at now is doing this with international students. They are really trying to boost the number of international students that attend here and there are many things they are doing to do that.
That actually surprises me a little (not much, but a little). I have always attended Catholic churches. What I have found over the last decade or so is that they are some of the most diverse places around. Even my parent's parish in the burbs has just about every race represented in every mass on Sunday. They now have mass is English, Spanish, Latin (of course), and Vietnamese.
QUESTION: Why have interviews? If it is all about Qualifications . .. then the best application should win correct? The bias of the interviewer comes though in the hiring people are more apt to hire 'people like them' or 'people they think they get along with' Alot of times that means. . . people who look like them People who come form similar backgrounds or hold similar values Alot of times. . . race/skin color/ethnicity/religious preference works into that Stereotypes work into this If you want a truly colorblind system Assign all the applicants a number . . .no race/name . just the applicant's qualification . . then pick the best one . . . There are a bunch of other Biases out there LEGACY RULE: Since black folx were not allowed at those colleges for decades . . we are just not reaching a time where second generation students are even possible. SO up until now .. . it was TOTALLY unfair to black students . . .this was an unwritten Grandfathered Discrimination that is only now reachin a point where black students can benefit .. . of course they are now trying to cut it out cause well . . the 'elites' are losing the advantage they had for decades . . . now it is becoming 'equal' opportunity so they must change it . . . They want to eliminate it. there are literally hundreds of things that discriminate in college acceptance Rocket River
What were saying is racial profiling exists--and in many more powerfull and profound ways than college admissions, and usally to the detriment to URMs. Which CaseyH and others seem to deny (maybe you do to), or at least don't very clearly acknowledge.
So I guess you are done playing the game, huh? Unable to make the distinction between race in college admissions to any other part of life? Yea, neither can I. Race = part of human condition. It is IMPOSSIBLE to seperate race from virtually any human activity. Fact of life. In response, "Profiling" is a formal policy implemented by various agencies used to target people for negative consquences. College admissions doesn't involve jail time. However, the casual definition of profiling is something every human being does conciously or unconcously. It's perfectly natural. Again, it's part of the human condition. btw, what is the intent of posting that X quote?
Just to clarify, "Profiling" is literally a documented technique used by law enforcement agencies that often results in very negative consquences for the target. Don't confuse the term "profiling" as something the general public may do in the naturual course of their day. With regards to college admissions, the "profiling" you speak of doesn't result in jail time for anybody involved. "Profiling" or acknowledging Race or Ethnicity is not bad in and of itself. It is a perfectly natural part of the human condition. It's how you chose to behave on that information that gets some people into trouble. In this country we've been brainwashed to think we are supposed to IGNORE race/ethnicity. That is wrong. We should CELEBRATE our various backgrounds ...not ignore them. We celebrate St. Patrick's day. Many people celebrate Chinese New Year in this country. We celebrate Cinco De Mayo in Texas. We celebrate/acknowledge many Jewish holidays especially if you live in New York. Like many cities, in Houston we have the International Festival where we celebrate different cultures each year. Race/Ethnicity shouldn't be ignored ...it should be celebrated. If you ignore Race, you are marginalizing people's heritage. ...and that is NOT what America is built on. We are the melting pot, right?
yeah when you melt stuff it all goes together to form a new substance. The old stuff no longer exists. Judging peoples value based on their race is wrong. If you disagree than thats fine. You don't even know what stuff does when you melt it.
That's the best response you've got? Some lame scientific explanation debunking a simple figure of speach. Geez. Dude, you've said some strange things in this thread. You've provided no basis for your own opinion for some time now. You are just stubbornly holding onto your now proven flawed view points of Race. If you can't support your own opinion, why are you holding onto it? It's a pretty obvious statement that people's race is a GIGANTIC factor in how people are raised and thusly their values. As such, it's perfectly reasonable to make certain characterizations. Comics do it all the time. How you respond to those characterizations is what determines right and wrong. Get it yet? For a second time, what view are you trying to express with your signature? Forgot?
So your opinion is since no one will be arrested then profiling is OK? If that is so than I really see no point. If you can prove to me that race has any ability to measure how much success someone has in a 4 year school show me. Otherwise STFU
pwned. Now who needs to back off the coffee? High school graduation rates are MUCH lower for blacks than whites. High school = 4 year school. You can continue to live in your fantasy world of theory or you can look at tangible real-world results. For the third time, you have yet to explain your signature. Racist? Thanks for playing, CaseyH. PWNED.
you dont want racial equity. if you wanted racial equityyou'd attempt to correct the centuries of racial inequality and the contemporary racial inequality in all other aspects of life. you want to pretend to be racially equal in one segment of society...even though everything leading up to that stage is inequitable. and thus your racial equity is just a facade to perpetuate the systemic and centuries old inequity. X and Y are racing. X gets a 10 minute head start. so Y wants some equity so Y can have a fair shot. but you say no. why should Y get an extra privilege. discounting the fact that the system already screwed over Y.
Regardless of what you do, you cannot change the past. To try to do so now by giving a leg up to a certain group of people isn't going to fix it. There's a saying...something about two wrongs making a right.
It isn't about giving a leg up. It's about giving a school some latitude to make their campus a well rounded student body. CaseyH, pwned.
