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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Air Langhi, Feb 24, 2017.

  1. MystikArkitect

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    Dude the dishonest media has swept every Jewish Cemetery vandalization under the rug for some time. Can't you see? These headstones have been getting vandalized every year. It's just the media not reporting it man.

    1.5 months down. 46.5 to go.
     
  2. ChrisBosh

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    Better get used to this folks, thank you Donald Trump
     
  3. snowconeman22

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    I don't believe trump opened the box of hatred and racism , but he certainly is making things worse .

    All of this , all of it , is driven by fear and lack of communication and understanding .

    We are still (as a society) reeling from the impact of 9/11 . Because of the fear which has been consistently reinforced through media , our attitudes changed .

    9/11 worked in so many ways . I feel awful typing that . But the combination of the attack , along wit war , along with the rise of religious groups in the mid-east has fundamentally shifted the average American's thought process . Even liberals feel the fear . They do this by lending credence to certain ideas instead of flat out rejecting them .

    Another question one has to ask is have the incidence of "hate crimes" risen ? Or are more crimes being labeled as such ? It is possible both are true . The problem is the layperson does not know to which standards these crimes are judged . Is indirect evidence enough to label a crime as such ?

    More than anything . Our culture has turned sour and we cannot even have a civil and open discussion about it .

    Well that's how I feel .
     
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  4. Amiga

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    No, he didn't. People don't just become racist or full of hate. The younger folks may be more easily manipulated and there is some danger in that.

    The Trump effect is energizing the crazy to act out their hate, as they think it has become more mainstream and acceptable. A very small % of his supporter I'm sure, but still - it's bad news and I do place the blame on Trump for energizing them.
     
  5. snowconeman22

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    I don't think you read my full post . Or maybe I didn't explain what I meant well enough .

    I believe that trump is exacerbating hate not through hateful rhetoric , but through fear .

    Trumps positions lead credence to the idea that there is an enemy and we need protection and that we need to increase that protection because the threat is so dire .

    You are right , I think energize is a good word . He's trying to build a wall , he's trying to reduce immigration from Muslim countries , speeches he's given legitimize ISIS. Certainly some level of acknowledgement needs to be given to the real threats to our safety ; however , by legitimizing American's fears this leads to hatred .

    Where does hatred come from ? Certainly fear and the unknown play a large role . First hand experience I think plays a minor role . This dude that shot the brown guys , do you think he personally knows many Muslims ? No . However , he is a culmination of what he has learned and been told .

    Trump has done nothing to dispel hatred . Instead he incites fear .

    It's hard for me to say , that as the leader of our country and certainly as a large influence on his own base , that he isn't making our racial divide worse.
     
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    No, it just had another "grand opening."
     
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  7. bigtexxx

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    Absolutely this. Obama's legacy was a horrible divide in the country. He did it for selfish political reasons (e.g., using Trayvon Martin to stir up votes in Florida during a critical time), making it even more disgusting.
     
  8. adoo

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    Convenient ignorance / selective reasoning by a bigot

    Obama spoke out against injustice in America just like other white POTUS in the past

    • LBJ, who passed the Civil Rights Act and the Immigration / Naturalization Act in 1965
    • Reagan who spoke out against the non-guilty verdict on the Vincent Chin murder case
    • Clinton, who spoke out against
    • the not-guilty verdict on the Rodney King beating case
    • the jailing of Wen Ho Lee, shackled in chains, despite the fact that the Gov't could not specify what secrets the scientist had supposedly stolen
     
  9. heypartner

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    fwiw: Thread title is wrong. One killed, other released next day and 3rd (the hero) is still recovering.
     
  10. wizkid83

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    As a minority, this scares me a lot. This is why I am a gun right supporting progressive, I've shot guns at gun ranges and now will probably get one. Just to be clear, even though the guns will be bought for self defense purposes, this isn't an easy decision for me.

    I've heard about all the statistics (I have Liberal friends and acquaintances) how you're more likely to hurt yourself, and this is not a small decision.

    However, both me and my wife, after giving it weighty thought, thinks it's a good idea to own guns as minorities in the current time. I will also add, I feel safe 99.99% of the time, but the .01% of the crazies do leave a impression.

    Edit: One more clarification, the reason I feel comfortable with the decision is that I believe we'd be responsible gun owners (will invest in a good safe for example), which helps to give the piece of mind in case we are dealing with a .0001% crazy population.
     
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    One last post on this topic, which is probably derailing it, I think gun ownership is a right in this country that should be protected. I support responsible gun policies, but rhetoric around how no one should own any guns, probably does more harm than good in getting responsible gun policies enacted. The reason people are a fighting Trump on some of his policies are not that the policies themselves are THAT bad, but rather combine with his and the rhetoric of his advisers might mean it's just the first step of something that people truly fear.

    Similarly, when anti gun stance is that no guns are good, then debates around responsible gun policies over-alarms gun owners.
     
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  12. heypartner

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    What is the price for the gun you are looking at and any other immediate costs

    Willing to bet you could take your wife to all the Rockets first round home playoff games for the cost of that gun. 1st and 2nd round if you are getting a gun for her, too.

    Just a thought
     
  13. Bandwagoner

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    No way. Guns are much cheaper than that. Even if the rockets sweep the first round.
     
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  14. heypartner

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    Well you have me at a disadvantage as I have no idea how much one cost, plus supporting costs. I just hear ppl here brag about $500 handguns they bought
     
  15. ipaman

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    @pirc1 and the rest can't help themselves. they need to take trumps nuts out their mouths.

    i agree with the gentleman who survived the disgusting attack, Madasani said the shooting was “an isolated incident that doesn’t reflect the true spirit of Kansas, the Midwest and the United States.”
     
  16. Nook

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    The playbook.

    Obama is responsible because he was this horrible race peddling figure that went out of his way to cause diversion. He hated white people! I mean how dare he be black and elected President?

    Never mind the fact that Obama said very little if anything negative about any race of people. In fact he went out of his way to be sensitive to it. Also for someone that supposedly hated white people, he didn't kill many white people.... but he killed a hell of a lot of brown people.

    On the other hand, you have President Trump purposely pandering on racial issues and making inflammatory statements.... not to mention him getting open approval from hate groups.

    Can this particular shooting be blamed on Trump? Short of the shooter saying that is the case, there is no way to know for sure. However, the general comments of Trump and his position on building a wall to keep Mexicans out (when it isn't a major problem) and also a Muslim ban (which is exactly what Rudy G said Trump wanted) is going to make people think it is more acceptable to be violent against certain groups.

    This really isn't debatable. The whole "he did it first" BS.

    Rip Obama on his mediocre/inconsistent foreign policy, or any of a dozen other points....... but to claim that he some how caused the racial and socioeconomic unrest is absurd.
     
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  17. Nook

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    This.

    The left is strongly against expanding gun ownership rights and many of them want to restrict gun ownership. I think you are going to start to see a shift in this paradigm. The Second Amendment is going no where. White Americans are well armed and well versed in proper gun ownership and often times is multi generational.

    There is no reason that minorities not do the same. Individuals have a certain level of responsibility for their own protection, especially if they believe they are either threatened or not adequately protected by the police.

    I strongly encourage responsible gun ownership by any group that feels marginalized. For many reasons, including a sense of self control and responsibility.

    Make no mistake, the NRA in the short term will not be happy about it, and many of the Trump supporters and elements of the Right that support the Second Amendment will not be happy....... nor with the Left.

    It is time for groups that feel they are being underrepresented or vulnerable to legally and individually take control where they can.

    This.

    Guns are not expensive when you consider what you are getting.

    Having said that, I believe that periodic practice is needed.

    Getting a gun certification class completed, then throwing the gun in the drawer for a decade is not a good idea for a novice.
     
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    Not a criticism. Just thought it was a funny bit given what you typed.
     
  19. pirc1

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    I don't think I want a gun, I live in a pretty safe area, I do not want to have all the trouble of having a gun. I do know a Chinese American who have stock piled over twenty guns, and have three months of rations stored for WWIII, including water, electric generator, canned goods and gas masks in the basement. I guess in case of emergency, I will go to his home LOL.
     
  20. ipaman

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    Relying on others for something as important your own health and safety is embarrassing. Quit leaching off the government and friendly Chinese Americans. How about you contribute to society yourself instead of being a drain on it.
     

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