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[WHISTLEBLOWER] NOAA manipulated climate data temps to show more warming than reality

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Feb 7, 2017.

  1. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    LOL. I believe what he's actually saying and what his colleagues are saying too:
    (1) he had quibbles about how these last data sets were interpreted and compiled.
    (2) his own words that this was NOT a case of anyone manipulating data. (Sorry for your thread title and this lame, inflammatory tabloid article).
    (3) he was not directly involved in these data sets but is more of an archivist.
    (4) that scientists often debate the details of data analysis.
    (5) that the right wing "journalist" is exploiting a normal scientific debate to feed another methane-filled fart into his right wing conspiracy echo chamber.
    (6) boring, overall, and the facts do not support the assertion, but you have enough for your tin-hat "no warming!' echo fest, so have fun with it! Enjoy!
     
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  2. bigtexxx

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    B-bob - are you a "pause denier"? Or do you actually agree with the data that says there was a pause?
     
  3. durvasa

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    And how did you determine that he is more credible than all the other scientists who disagree with him on this issue?

    The only sane thing to do is try to take seriously both his accusation and also the many experts who are defending the findings of that study. Debate within the scientific community should be both welcomed and healthy. Politicizing it as you are doing and dismissing any positions that you find disagreeable as bias from "the left", on the other hand, is not.
     
  4. LosPollosHermanos

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    I've actually voted republican every time. Did you miss the short bus this morning?
     
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    LOL. Like a b****.... small texx still hasn't posted up the follow up article that supposed to detail the actual evidence..... Such a little b****.
     
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    Dude, you're sounding more Trump-like by the hour. Sad.
     
  7. ipaman

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    Who cares... Global warming, global cooling, man-made, natural, why do we give a ****. We'd be better served in localized protecting/creating clean drinking water, localized protecting/creating fertile lands, etc... Focus on the small scale and local. The truth is that this planet has been destroyed many times (at least 5 times) over and there's more on the way. Just focus on the small scale and the big scale probably takes care of itself. We'd eventually have a nice green healthy planet on the large scale just in time for a super volcano or an meteor to destroy it all...
     
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    I hear the world is going to freeze and all the beaches are going to turn to ice! I read it in the Daily Mail!!!!! It must be true!!! Screw all the scientists, I believe the daily mail!
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    I think the real question is why don't you believe what Dr. Bates who you lauded in your posts is actually saying? He clearly said that it wasn't about data manipulation, yet you keep claiming it is.

    Tell us, do you believe what Dr. Bates is actually saying?
     
  10. heypartner

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    bigtexxx ... Dr Bates is backpedaling

    You should really ask Dr Bates this question. He is now backtracking on saying any manipulation of data occurred, which means he believes the new January study that agrees with the Pause-Buster study, and not the old data set used for the Pause data.

    I'm sure this is tl;dr stuff for you, but for others interested in getting to the bottom of this,

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    Here's Dr Bates own words,

    In an interview on Monday with E&E News, Dr. Bates appeared to distance himself from some of what he wrote in the blog post, and from the way his criticisms were portrayed in the Mail on Sunday article.

    The issue here is not an issue of tampering with data,” he said, “but rather really of timing of a release of a paper that had not properly disclosed everything it was.”​

    So, the data is fine...and it's just timing? The question at the end of the day is not about "Timing." It's about is the Pause-Buster data set better and more accurate than the original data which indicated a pause. The Pause-Buster data used more advanced data gathering techniques for ocean temperatures and atmospheric together with the land temperatures that the Pause data used.

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    Mr Bates Monday interview was asking him about the new January, 2017 study whose sole purpose was to review the Pause-Buster study, such reviews are standard scientific method.

    Zeke Hausfather, a climate scientist at the University of California, Berkeley, disputed the contention that the data sets used in Dr. Karl’s paper (the Pause-Buster paper) were unverified or that the data had been manipulated.

    Dr. Hausfather was one of the authors of a review of the NOAA ocean data, which showed the most change. The paper, published in January, compared the old and new NOAA data with independent data from satellites, buoys and other sources and found that the new data matched the independent data more closely. The result, he wrote, “strongly suggests that NOAA got it right and that we have been underestimating ocean warming in recent years.”

    When asked about that January paper, Dr Bates distanced himself from the Daily writer's claims that manipulation occurred.
     
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