Which one of these religions is founded on the most absurd premise?

LOL, DD playing the ol' "post a cheap shot then accuse anyone who gets offended of being over sensitive" card.

So predictable and dull.

 

Right on, DD isn't the only culprit, but the sniping does ruin threads.

It's different than adding reason or opinion behind criticisms because at least people can respond to that without "appearing sensitive".

 

You are seriously trying to talk with me about disrespect on the internet? Really? This is a message board, the topic came up, and I posted in it.

Clearly you don't like what I said, ok...I can live with that.

I hope to see you charging in on that white horse everywhere on this BBS and stoping the sniping all over the place in the name of respect, brother !

Ruins threads? In the D&D? Are you kidding me?

Ok, then please elaborate on which religions you find based on an absurd premise?

Scientolgoy? Islam? Christianity? Buddism? Judiasm? None? All?

What?

DD

 

Seconded. I do not profess nor practice a religion, but find it insulting and offensive when people disrespect those who believe.

Does anyone imagine medieval thinking or the crusades or the historical abuses of the "church" when you think of MadMax living his faith? Does anyone think of terrorism or intolerance when you think of our Muslim posters here?

Nearly all of the people I know who are believers, regardless of faith, live their lives in a positve manner and haven't participated in a crusade or jihad. I would surmise that most of the people of faith you know are similar.

Give it a rest.

 

I have no problem at all with people practicing their faith, and their own beliefs, none whatsoever.

But look at the title of this thread, it is asking a very sensitive question.....

My answer to that question is "All of them"

Is that disrespectful?

Or is it people being overly sensitive to someone else's viewpoint.

So predictable in it's truth. There was no cheap shot, I answered the question, and then folks started whining about the answer.

You guys honestly expect to have a religious debate without people voicing their contrary views?

You guys know how I feel about religion, why would it shock you that my answer is..."All of the above"?

DD

 

Wait, so asking questions about whether certain teachings or elements of various religions make sense is automatically insulting and offensive, and disrespectful of those who believe? Why? That would mean that anything that any teachings of any religion are off-limits for discussion because if you question them, according to you, you already disrespect those who believe in them?

DD says he personally sees it that way, others can feel free to see it differently, why do you consider that offensive? If you finish that thought, then every part of a religion that is expressed and that is different from what followers of other religions believe is offensive to them.

 

I think the idea that God would choose a poor girl from a small town in the poor part of an occupied nation to have His Son is nuts.
I think that this girl would be become miraculously pregnant as a virgin, but God would ask her to marry to cover it up is plain crazy.
I think that this guy wouldn't do anything of note for 30 years, and then would have an enormous following for 3 years is a little weird.
I think the idea that God would let His Son be executed for claiming to be God is insane.
All of that is nuts, but I believe it all, and the fact that it's so crazy makes it even more beautiful to me.

But, yeah, Scientology is the most absurd.

 

I can respect your views weslinder, here is how I would respond to your info provided.

Jesus birth is very close to Greek, Roman and many other mythologies where God came down and impregnated a mortal.

Women could be considered a virgin if they had not borne a son, the term of virgin today is not the same as it was back then.

I do respect the life Jesus lived, seemed like a very peaceful guy, one who thought of life the right way, IMO - that being said, I also respect Gandhi and others that dedicated their lives to lifting people up.

Tons of people have been executed in the name of God, and to stop the spread of cults throughout history, to me his was simply one that caught on.

The fact that you believe it is fine with me.

Whatever makes you happy as a person.

Now, Just, is that disrespectful, or just a different viewpoint?

DD

 

There is a difference between questioning and condemning.

I will let each of you determine for yourself if your approach is one or the other.

Past experience would lend me to believe that you do not perceive yourself as others perceive you.

 

Exactly.

 

To stick up for scientology for a second, while I agree that their creation story and associated physical cosmology are ludicrous, and the whole thing seems like a scam, it seems like it's unfairly dumped on since it was invented by contemporary people rather than various desert tribes from thousands of years ago.

From an objective point of view, when you're dealing with magical men in the sky it's hard to say one is more grounded in reality than another (to the extent literal belief in such is implied.)

 

I'd think that I could be more easily accused of "condemning" than DD, actually, as he doesn't make as much of a difference between the various religions as I do.

What if a religion condemns not believing in it, and condemns those who are non-believers or infidels, and promises them eternal hell? And those who follow it by the book see it the same way. Is that not offensive?

Also, well said SamFisher (post above).

 

Hmmmm...

A sequence of DD's quotes in this thread. The first one was a snide remark aimed at all religion. MadMax called you out on it by pointing out that early Christians were hardly making money and were instead being crucified and hunted down. You responded by saying "aw shucks I didn't say Christianity! You are just too sensitive!" Later you clarify that you in fact did mean "all of them"

You are constantly making snide remarks, you get called out for being wrong or just being a jerk, you backtrack, you later forget that you backtracked and try to stake your snide flag in the thread all over again.

This right here is malarkey. Your treatment of religion on this board (be it Christianity or Islam) prove that you are in fact NOT capable of respecting the views.

 

It's news to me that religion should be respected...

 

If you don't believe, what difference does it make if you are condemned for not believing?

From a historical, purely philosophical perspective, I do not necessarily disagree with your positions on "Religion" (big R and in quotes).

It is at the personal, practical, and day-to-day believer level where you can see the positive benefits of practicing religious belief. It is with these individuals that the constant degradation and insulting of their "Religion" is offensive.

For every grenade throwing religious extemist I'm sure there are ten believers who would throw themselves on the grenade to save your life and the lives of others.

 

You don't have to respect anything as far as I'm concerned. But if you want to be a sniping jackbutt, don't try to backtrack and retreat to the "I respect religion I just disagree!!!!" card.

 

I am torn on the issue of religion, I don't consider myself an atheist, but I think a lot of what people are taught is religion is just stuff that was invented to keep people in check. I would not pretend that I know the ultimate truth.

To respond to your question above "If you don't believe, what difference does it make if you are condemned for not believing?", you can simply turn that around and ask "if you truly believe, does it matter to you what others think, even if they may have negative feelings about what you believe?".

But I always see this (not only, but particularly from one religion) "someone insulted our religion". May I repeat my question above: If a religion basically teaches that if you don't follow it, you will eternally burn in hell, and its followers believe that by the book, does that not mean they "look down on you" for not being one of them? Is that not offensive in itself?

Why can they look down on me for not believing what they do, but I am not allowed to question or criticize what they believe, including the part where they look down on me and think I will burn in hell eternally?

Why can religious people directly or indirectly offend me and hurt my feelings, but I cannot question them?

 

Same goes for non religious people... No one is saying that religion makes people bad, but rather that delusion of any kind is dangerous. Correct?