Not to say I don't disagree, especially vs other rumored offers, but the trade really is 4 first round picks, not 3. Moe Harkless is a rookie. 15th pick this draft.
At the time, the Gasol trade. They gave up crap. Marc Gasol was supposed to be just a name who never moves to the NBA. He seemed to be rapidly declining, not improving. I don't see any point to consider Marc Gasol at all, unless someone of us can predict the future and see if Harkless or some of those crappy picks pan out in this deal. In this deal, they gave up Bynum. The Magic received a bunch of pieces/picks who will probably end up being mediocre players. But noone would've given a late 1st round pick for rights to Marc Gasol at the time, so really it just doesn't compare.
Nobody said Lakers got Howard for nothing. As someone pointed out in another thread, the Lakers got the #3 player for the #15 player + a garbage pick. That's lopsided in my book. If you get a superior player in a deal for an inferior one, you usually either give up some other assets or take on unwanted contracts. The Lakers did none of those. The notion of #1 center for #2 center is misleading because the gap between #1 and #2 is big. If Cleveland traded their #1 pick for the #2 pick + #27 pick in the year when LeBron was available, would you say that it's a fair trade?
fine. leave me out of it. What is your point ... you want me to respond to "someone in another thread" and I don't even know what you are talking about. leave me out of whatever you are trying to achieve.
screw this summer trade sh@!t y'all will argue with yourself. I'll see you when the boys start playing together again. and then at that point, y'all will be set in your ways and won't even be able to watch basketball constructively and objectively. so sad. learn to love the game... peace biscuit.
GreatOne1978 try again...your picture is denied. this thread sucks. How many times do I have to say this .... stop trying to .... um....whatever about the Lakers can we just move on?? don't let the Lakers make you look stupid
The Lakers have already made the rest of the basketball world look stupid with their benign trades. By the way, I never said they got Dwight for nothing; they significantly upgraded, more specifically the center position, for nothing.
but we weren't offering just martin, were we? no it was martin, lamb, toronto pick, our own picks, dallas pick, nyk pick. we were giving up a lot for Howard and rightly so. lakers just gave up bynum and got dwight. it's like if we traded Kmart for Monta Ellis, and no one or nothing of importance was included in that deal, in terms of draft picks and as well as other players. that's not how trading should work. i shouldn't just give up a #2 guy for a #1 guy and not lose anything else.
When you consider that, at the time, Pau Gasol was probably the top power forward in the league, Memphis wasn't in such an uncomfortable position where they had to trade him, and Marc Gasol was a huge question mark, I think that one is the more lopsided deal. Don't get me wrong, the Dwight Howard deal was pretty awful as well (for Orlando). The circumstances were pretty different though: Dwight Howard massacred his own trade value (probably by design?), the Magic were desperate to send him out in a trade, was recovering from back surgery, and constantly reiterated his threats to walk away from any team not named the Nets. They were going to be lucky to get 30 cents on the dollar. It's hard to judge overall how much of a rip off the Dwight trade was since it was a 4-team affair, so let's just look at what the Lakers sent out: Andrew Bynum, a future 1st rounder and they also took on Chris Duhon's contract. I guess that's not that terrible considering the circumstances, although Bynum didn't even end up in Orlando (LOL!). As idiotic as the Magic management is, I think you still have to say the Gasol trade is the more lopsided of the two.
Sorry to go "old dude" on y'all, but I still think the most lopsided trade was Abdul-Jabbar for Winters and Bridgeman, circa 1975. Okay, Winters and Bridgeman were very solid players who helped Mikwaukee for a long time, but Abdul-Jabbar was basically the best player in the league at that time and had even won a championship for the Bucks. Found this interesting, speaking of Howard and "today's players." "After his return, other injuries befell Milwaukee, sending them to the bottom of their division with 38 wins and 44 losses. When the season ended, Abdul-Jabbar made the stunning announcement that he no longer wished to play for the Bucks, stating that he needed the big city. He thus requested a trade to either Los Angeles or New York. The front office was unable to convince him otherwise and on June 16, 1975, the Bucks pulled a mega-trade by sending Abdul-Jabbar to the Lakers for Elmore Smith, Junior Bridgeman, Brian Winters and David Meyers." Ah, how soon we forget. (I was too young to follow b-ball, but Kareem was just pulling a Dwight in 1975!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Bucks
