The difficulty for me is like have one chocolate with aphrodisiac qualities while the other fights certain kinds of cancer. Then you can ask me about taste or richness of flavor.... What I can judge one as better framed by the questioner doesn't necessarily answer which one I'd avoid eating more. Given the context, I'm actually okay with answering the question as long as subjective parameters (like value or quality) are defined. Despite not taking many philo classes, I generally like the nature of these debates and deconstructing the reasons behind them. That is, until my brain melts down into an pile of goo.
An interesting post, Os. I better understand why you posed the question. All I can say is that if you have lived with an ardent and highly intelligent feminist for roughly forty years, as I have, you would have more sympathy for my position. I consider myself a feminist (after this long, how could I not?) and was raised by parents who abhorred racism. My father hired one of the first two Black faculty members at his university. I've mentioned that before. Having said all that, I still dislike the question. ;-)
Women are sexists against other women too. The mother who aborts her child after she finds it's a girl because she wants a boy The mother who treats her son better than her daughter etc etc etc
Irrelevant. Biology and science isnt the reason for sexism just the excuse for it. Same as religion. Sexists who are using pseudoepistemiological theories werent first convinced and studied these theories but only found them later to justify their already sexism and misogynism. Whether they existed or not it wouldn't matter. Some other thing, and theory would come up. Now that all these 1800s and 1900s eugenics theories of race superiority have been put to rest, did it make racism dissappear? Did racism only start only when these theories were formed? Can you convince a grown adult to become a sexist by telling him these theories? Your question is absurd and actually offensive to me. You can't put into a scale human suffering and see what is better or worse. And as expected out came a poster who tries to justify sexism.
It's hard to judge what he is saying because he is speaking in generalizations but at first impression I disagree with his premises. For instance, modern science isn't based on experimentation but rather on verification of theories through future data. To given a salient example, Hawking radiation when first proposed was highly controversial and wasn't accepted by the community - how could a blackhole emit radiation? But his ideas became more mainstream as people looked for data that verified his theory - which was based on on experimental evidence but pure theory.
I never said people don't care about Vietnam. I said people don't recognize sexism in things like the military, e.g. Vietnam. Go back and read the thread please. You don't know how sexism is bad for both sexes? How are you disagreeing with me while stating things that support my point? As you point out, the military is sexist. Yes, I agree! You also offer suggestive evidence that the Civil War armies were racist, and I would agree with that too.
I went back and read the thread and your point seems very tortured. It comes down to that more women should've died in Vietnam. That seems like a pretty messed up argument against sexism. in fact you actually give a non-misogynistic rationale for why women shouldn't serve in combat. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php...-sexism-or-racism.306163/page-2#post-13019892 "Males and females do have some substantial difference by which to "discriminate" between them. For example, with military service, there is a somewhat-conceivable rationale for discriminating between sexes: females can't carry gear and bodies the way men can." You say there should be no distinction there even though you give a pretty valid distinction. For that matter in that post you start out with "Racism!" which would mean you considerate that a worse problem. As far as not caring about Vietnam you wrote: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php...-sexism-or-racism.306163/page-2#post-13019927 "You see how we don't bat an eye when 58,000 men are killed and only 8 women? Seems unequal to me. . . " Your argument comes down to that no body batted an eye about Vietnam because mostly men were killed. It's a tortured argument not grounded in the fact that a lot of eyes were batted.
You're trying to win something. I'm trying to express the truth. Let's go: US casualty statistics show sexism. Congressional Medals of Honor show sexism. Sexism is bad for men and women both. People did care about the Vietnam war. Women should be treated equal in the military, without exception. Are we in agreement?
For the victims, they are equally bad. If you are killed because someone think you are lesser of a human or less deserving of being one due to your race or your sex or sexual orientation ...
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"Where’s the sympathy and outrage for Megan Thee Stallion?": https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/22/wheres-sympathy-outrage-megan-thee-stallion/ Where’s the sympathy and outrage for Megan Thee Stallion? Opinion by Karen Attiah Global Opinions editor August 22, 2020 at 2:29 p.m. EDT August should have been a blockbuster month for the rapper Megan Thee Stallion. Her latest collaboration with Cardi B, “WAP,” racked up 93 million streams in the United States in the week after its release on Aug. 7 (the most ever recorded for an opening seven-day period, according to Nielsen Music), more than enough for the song to enter Billboard’s Hot 100 at No. 1. With that, she became the first woman to lead the Rap Songwriters chart, thanks to songwriting credits on three of the latest Hot Rap Songs ranking. She also announced a major endorsing deal as Revlon’s newest global brand ambassador. In fact, this whole spring and summer should have belonged to Megan Pete, a.k.a. Megan Thee Stallion. Her song “Savage” became her first No. 1 Billboard hit in May and was the inspiration for the viral #SavageChallenge dance craze that took over Instagram and TikTok. (She even teamed up with fellow Houstonian Beyoncé for an equally banging “Savage” remix.) This week Black women in America are supposed to be celebrating a period of historic achievements. We just saw Michelle Obama deliver a moving speech at the Democratic National Convention urging people to vote, and days later, we saw Kamala D. Harris become the first Black woman to accept the nomination for vice president from a major political party. “Black women will save us all!” read a familiar refrain across social media. But on Thursday night, Megan Thee Stallion offered a stark reminder that as Black women, we are often expected to save and protect everyone but ourselves. The 25-year-old hip-hop star took to Instagram, not to talk about her successes and achievements, but to speak openly about being a victim of gun violence at the hands of the rapper Tory Lanez. In mid-July, the news hit the Internet that she had been shot. On July 15, she recounted a “traumatic night” in an Instagram post, days after TMZ reported that her feet had been injured during an altercation outside a Hollywood Hills mansion. Until Thursday, she had not named who had been responsible for the assault. Lanez, whose legal name is Daystar Peterson, is a rapper best known for … well, not all that much, frankly. He has been accused of violence against women in the past. In 2017, an ex-girlfriend accused him of “physical, verbal, and emotional abuse.” She said Lanez, who showed up uninvited at her house multiple times, made her feel like her life was at risk. “Never in my life have I felt so scared,” she posted on social media. On Thursday, Megan Thee Stallion finally identified Lanez as the person who shot her. She said she needed to go public because people were calling her a liar about her own assault. Soon she was attacked as a “snitch.” Relatively few celebrities and musicians came to her defense at first. The episode has exposed how many Black women are caught between the rock of racism and the hard place of patriarchal sexism. Violence against us is ignored, dismissed and, in the case of Megan Thee Stallion, even ridiculed. America would have been up in arms if Billie Eilish, Selena Gomez or Ariana Grande had been shot by a Black man. There was even a flood of outrage when Taylor Swift was interrupted by Kanye West during an award acceptance speech. But where’s the outrage over the assault against Megan Thee Stallion, one of the biggest stars of the moment? Part of the heavy burden Black women must carry is the pressure to protect Black men from the viciousness of the police and a racist justice system. Megan was no exception. “He shot me and I still tried to protect him,” she said, “because the police be killing us.” Other factors could explain why Megan has received less attention and support after being victimized. When Rihanna was assaulted by the singer Chris Brown, she was at the center of national discussions about domestic abuse. The light-skinned, slim-figured hazel-eyed singer with the Barbadian accent was a rising princess of pop; her boyfriend-turned-abuser was a rising mainstream star as well. The photographs of her bruised, bloodied face were made public. Rihanna did go on to land interviews with major networks, including a sit-down with Oprah. Megan Thee Stallion, on the other hand, occupies a different place in the constellation of pop stardom. The 5’10″ darker-skinned rapper does not shy away from sexually explicit lyrics or flaunting her curves, her Texas-ness or her ability to twerk with the stamina of an Olympic athlete. It’s not hard to see why one received a wave of empathy and the other was ignored and called a liar. Still, even Rihanna faced accusations of doing something to deserve her abuse. And to this day, Brown continues to make music and continue with his career, despite being accused of abusing and threatening his now-ex Karrueche Tran after the relationship with Rihanna ended. Tran ended up filing a restraining order. And still, when Black women make music, everyone listens. When we dance, the world wants to move like us. When Black women create new phrases and expand the boundaries of our language, everyone mimics us. When we break political ground, the world calls us “saviors,” excited to see us clean up white America’s political messes. But Megan Thee Stallion’s plight is a reminder that when Black women scream for help and cry in pain and even show our gory wounds to the public, the same people who love to dance to our rhythms, rarely, if ever, come to our rescue.
