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Which 2-man combos would you say are better than Berkman/Lee?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by bchapman101, Mar 2, 2007.

  1. Buck Turgidson

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    [Bleep] the AL.

    In the NL, here's the tops off the top of my head, in no particluar order, and the 3rd fiddle:

    Howard & Utley (Rollins? Burrell?)
    Lee & Soriano (Ramirez)
    Beltran & Wright (Delgado)
    Pujols & Rolen (Nobody)
    Berkman & Lee (2005 Ensberg, 2006 Scott)
    Andruw & McCann (Larry Wayne, if he's healthy)

    Up & comers:

    Holliday & Atkins (Hawpe)
    Cabrerra & Handjob (Jacobs? Hermida?)
    Hall & Fielder (Weeks?)
    Stephen Drew & Somebody (Upton, Jackson, Quentin)
     
  2. bchapman101

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    yea, I can understand that, however, I dont think Berkman or Lee ever had a very strong hitter hitting next to them (Bagwell was already far below his best numbers when Berkman started ripping it), and so now I think both will flourish as a result, and yea I think Burke will be on base alot, a huge offensive upgrade over Willy T, for many more RBI possibilities
     
  3. JeopardE

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    Eh man ... Berkman is definitely one of the best hitters in baseball, but no way in hell is he better than Albert Pujols. Pujols is a wizard at the plate.
     
  4. Nick

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    When you factor in the righty/lefty factor, the home ballpark, and their ages.. Carlos Lee and Lance Berkman compare VERY favorably among duos.

    I wouldn't say they're the best... but Astros fans have nothing to complain about regarding the "heart" of their lineup.
     
  5. Buck Turgidson

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    No doubt.

    Another interesting tidbit I just noticed - in light of the constant b!tching about the Astros' bringing up prospects slowly (I'm talking to you Charlie "It's pathetic that Hunter Pence won't be a big league starter until he's age 25/26" Palillo) - Chase Utley & Ryan Howard both had their first full seasons at age 26.
     
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    OMG I can't wait for April!
     
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    HOMER, Berkman and anyone is a good combo because of how great Lance is but putting Ensberg in elite company is a freaking joke.

    Berkman and Lee are a top teir 2 man combo for sure
     
  8. Major

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    "Good Ensberg" (2003, 2005) put up numbers better than ANY of Carlos Lee's 8 years in the majors. He's had an OPS over 0.900 twice. Lee never has.

    Of course, we have no idea which Ensberg which show up this year.
     
  9. msn

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    What's with the statistics? It's more fun to call names, homer.
     
  10. Major

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    Well fine! As a homer, Berkman/Ausmus is the best of these combos. If you disagree, you're a freakin' anti-Astro loser.
     
  11. texanskan

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    stats are good to a certain extent but I need to see someone produce on a consistant basis. If Ensberg can put it together for an entire season this year then maybe I'll buy all the "ensberg is elite but he was injured at this point so he did not produce he was also injured at this point etc. etc."
     
  12. msn

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    Agreed on stats--they must be used in their proper context.

    First of all, Ensberg *has* put it together for an entire season--twice. Two outstanding, outstanding seasons, one in which he garnered some MVP votes.

    Secondly, no one is calling Ensberg "elite", and I agree with you that based on his year-to-year inconsistency he ain't "elite". The point was simply this--Berkman paired with 2005 Ensberg is one of the deadliest offensive combinations around. And, that's a valid idea.
     
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    Well I am not trying to argue with you because we are in agrement for the most part but it's easy to say I'll take Berkman with the 06 Gary Mathews Jr or the 95 (or whatever year he went off) Brady Anderson or the second half of 06 Luke Scott etc. etc.
     
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    Good point.
     

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