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Where to put Von Wafer, when everyone is back.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Jan 14, 2009.

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Where does Von fit in on a healthy Rocket's team?

  1. Starter - he has earned it

    201 vote(s)
    28.9%
  2. Bench - SG off bench

    484 vote(s)
    69.5%
  3. Out of rotation - stash him for next year, or emergencies

    11 vote(s)
    1.6%
  1. Jeff Who

    Jeff Who Member

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    Wait a minute.

    How can you compare last season to this season? Man, last season T-Mac was INJURED, his knee needed surgery, but he knew he had to play.

    This season he is NOT injured. He just wasn't at full strength and that is why he is sitting out right now. His body wasn'r ready for the season and he has to do the work now to get his body ready.
     
  2. DrJB25

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    Me Mac? come on man... Dude busted his butt off last year and is coming off a surgery. Have you had or known anyone that has had surgery?? Rehab is not fun and does not always go smoothly. My gf had surgery over a year ago and she still has trouble running/exercising. She use to be a bad ass dancer and now I don't think she will ever be able to perform on stage again.

    I don't really get you haters.. Yes he did tank in orlando his last year, but that was a lost season. He could have tanked it last year, but he didn't. It doesn't make sense for him to tank it this year.

    I guess you should call gilbert, Agent "me". I don't think he's making his debut this year. He's so selfish isn't he? I wouldn't care if you just said tmac, or tglass, but stop hating on him with overused phrase "me mac"
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    At this point Von is a lot more efficient than Tmac, and it is a meritocracy.....Von is playing better and should start. Tmac can come back in shape, and reclaim his job.

    DD
     
  4. worzel gummidge

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    If Wafer's shot sticks they need to consider "Manu-ing" T-Mac, ie play him off the bench. They're not going to go far when both starting guards average sub-40% FG. Brooks could be joining that club soon. So maybe T-Mac to PG full time?
     
  5. SoccerFan

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    DD - having everyone healthy is a very bold assumption
     
  6. choujie

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    Let's wait and see if he can keep it up.
    Even if he keeps that up, 47% shooting and 40% 3 point with 2 rebounds and 1 assist per game plus below average defense is still not all star caliber shooting guard. A solid role player that is.

    When you think he's playing at all star level right now, that means Wafer actually is overrated, even as a player.
     
  7. bj3175

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    what about

    rafer
    wafer
    t-mac
    scola
    yao

    Bench
    Deke
    landry
    artest
    battier
    brooks
     
  8. flamingdts

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    This lineup is good if you're looking for a scoring lineup but also reserve one of your starts and best defensive players. Would work great if you want a strong scorer surge but also have a strong defensive unit to prevent any opponent comebacks.

    At this stage, I don't think we have any problems with where Wafer fits. Prior to McGrady's injury, we use to have Rafer and Brooks playing the SG and PG position, sometimes Battier and Artest comes in as well for SG. Now with Wafer, our PGs can play their natural position, and our SG position will have a reliable backup.

    This makes Barry more situational, but also makes our lineup more flexible as well, since Barry can play both PG and SG.
     
  9. meh

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    I think one thing that's understated is T-Mac's ability to handle the ball and run the offense. That's something none of our other wing players can do. In that sense, I think that as long as he's not totally dogging it, he should be getting 30 minutes a game no matter the competition.

    So assuming everyone's healthy, I think Wafer's actually competing with Battier for playing time, as Artest and T-Mac should both be playing quite a bit. Wafer would be the choice when we need offense, and Battier when we need defense. Also against certain teams, we can get away with playing Artest a bit at the PF and fit everyone in.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    This is why I would trade Artest.....too many wings, and we need a PG...

    I still think Wafer starts....until everyone proves they are healthy and willing to play their role.

    DD
     
  11. xiki

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    If you want a PG (and I know I do) Rafer has to be traded. In the same deal, or in a coincidental complementary one. This is a must.

    So, who do you want running the Point? How about Nash? Steve Kerr has been quoted - and paraphrsed - about wanting more D. D, D, D seems to be his mantra. Rafer and Battier offer upgrades of D (and @1mm in lessened cap $s [X 2, of course]).

    Dre Miller? Philly wants to run. Philly is bereft of a quality back-up. Dalaembert and Miller for MacGrady? It frees 6ers of Dalaembert's contract but slows them down, and leaves them Pointless. And wither Rafe?

    Monta Ellis? I wish. But he and W's appear to have kissed and made up.

    Felton? Rafe and Battier for Felton and Wallace? But, Felton is an RFA likely to get too big an offer over the summer and otherwise the deal is probably odable but just a wash, at best.

    Your other options? Foye? Sergio? Uh uh uh...

    Go for Nash. Just let Suns go into a bit of a tailspin and make the offer. The choices for an upgrade are just not hot.

    BTW - Wafer is the Rox feel good story of the year, a great story. But, when TMac is back TMac starts and the VW rotations in. That's just reality. Meritocracy? Yeah, for Brooks to maybe split minutes with Alston or ScoLandry, but - with McGrady? He starts. NBAReality 101.
     
  12. crash5179

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    I think there is a pretty good half court offense point guard that could be had out of Chicago. I think I would prefer to trade McGrady over Artest but if you move McGrady to SF maybe Artest would be a good option.

    Would Chi be willing to take back Artest for Hinrich and a draft pick? How about Shane and Luther for Hinrich?

    Hinrich is a good half court point guard that has a very good outside shot and plays well above average defense.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    He is my target too...Artest and Luther get it done.

    DD
     
  14. xiki

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    I have touted Kirk/Nocioni - TMac many times. I love it. But, then you still HAVE to move Rafer and either Artest or Battier. For? And I do not for a second believe KH heads to Houston for Artest or Battier + hed and/or a draft pick (BTW - when does the draft pick move to Bulls? '11?)
     
  15. crash5179

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    The draft pick I was referencing would come from the Bulls. I think Artest is a more valuable player and comodity than Hinrich.

    Movig TMac makes more sense to me as well. I would love to move Rafer after aquiring another point guard.
     
  16. xiki

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    I agree that Artest > Hinrich. However, with Nocioni and Deng - where are the minutes coming from (just check out: Rockets, Houston)?

    Any deal for any Point either has to include Rafer or be complementary with a second deal including STMLou.

    And any deal has to allow minutes for the feel good player of the year, The Bug - VW!
     
  17. DaDakota

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    Well, Tmac is coming back....so, what to do with him? I say bring him off the bench, let Wafer continue to start.

    DD
     
  18. ericmark

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    I concur.
    Thank about this: A bumpy airplane driven by a sick pilot is taken over by the co-pilot. After a period of safe and smooth flight, the sick pilot gets better, would you like to have him to replace the co-pilot right away? I would not simply because:
    1. Co-pilot is doing fine, why change?
    2. The health and performance of the primary pilot is unpredictable.
     
  19. crash5179

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    I say bring him off of the bench but if Adleman has to start him put him at the three and keep Wafer at the 2 guard.
     
  20. badgerfan

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    Was re-watching the Heat or Knicks game last night and Bullard compared T-Mac to Wally Pipp.
     

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