Relax the offseason just started with the NBA draft. We didn't get Ron Artest till around August last season. That was a big move. Morey just got 2 serviceable players for nothing but cash. Most experts gave him an A+ for the draft.
I never said Jefferson wasn't a good player, all I was pointing out was what Hollinger was saying in that the Bucks were a better team with Jefferson on the bench. You my friend are delusional if you actually think the rockets are sitting back and relying on a 2nd round picks to get them over the top. Where do you come up with this stuff? Im not passing judgement on Morey's moves until they have played themselves out. The offseason just started, you need to chill out and take your hand off the panick button.
so let's hear what deals we could have offered that made sense to BOTH sides. And actually take into consideration what NJ, phoenix, and milwaukee wanted, don't just try to come up with a deal with better talent than they got because that's obviously not their main concern..
NJ also wanted a young prospect, they've said this before...Lee was that guy in the Orlando deal. Landry is the only young prospect you mentioned and they already have Yi and Sean williams in his spot, why would they take that offer over orlando's?
Ye have little faith. Morey is a magician, and will pull the rabbit out of his hat in due time. I have full trust in Morey. He is a smart man and has a lot of issues to take into consideration. We are not in the same position at the other teams making moves. They made big moves. We have to make tweaks and get healthy. We'll get our back up center and another scoring option soon. I know it.
One thingv I am is consistent. When they drafted greene last yr, I was cool because at least he was young, long and a pick in the 20's, that was cool. What I didn't like was passing on the 7ft 20 yr old for dorsey the 25 yr old undersized center. When he traded for artest, I even changed my sig, but also I questioned why we haven't picked up elson,mbenga,anderson or a big like that. I kept saying lets complete the holes and roll. What happened is what happens all the time. Yao and tracy get hurt, we wind up starting in yao's place a guy 6'5 and its over. At least with artest we actually had someone who could take up some of tracy's scoring. What I see and fear is that just like the kings and the suns that the team isn't going to do enough to give themsleves a real shot at the ring..They will be competitive, but can they bring that fear of dominating the oppostion when they walk into the arena? My guess is no.
And this, my friend, is a dumb comment. Dude, you have no idea what was on the table and what deals were available and what weren't. "Because of a little haggling, it fell through?" Are you in the Rockets' front office? If you're not, none of us have any clue. Some media folks say there were discussions, while others said it wasn't close at all. The truth is, none of us have any idea. Not to mention that anonymous sources (which, of course, everyone cites) have a tendency to tell and/or assume far more than they know. None of us are in any position to know whether the Amar'e deal was actually there -- same with all the ridiculous drama over "should've traded TMac for Billups!!!!!!!" a year ago. So what if Morey is working on a deal for a piece he considers better than Jefferson or Carter (which by far seems the most logical option, here)? Should he hurt his own team, just to block the Magic or Spurs?
Nope, if he makes a deal that makes the Rockets championship material I am all for it... But I think either of those 2 players would have done that. DD
U know, I expect better from you. We have a discussion about young prospects and you bring yi whom they are desperately trying to dump and williams whom they sent down to the d-league. Are u going to tell me if you're thorn that you wouldn't want before the season tracy's expiring plus lowry and landry over lee? Um, ok.
I think so too, but I know Daryl Morey and his track record well enough to understand that he's the last person on earth to be sitting on his hands. You should know that, too. If the Rockets had the assets to get one of those guys and didn't (I agree that they did), then he feels like he has a good chance to get something that will help more. Wait it out. If it's September and this roster is still the same, get frustrated. But there's no reason to be upset now.
Maybe I know agents. Maybe I know players. I respect what clutch said about posting known info because of who reads this board. I guess u don't remember when I said Tracy had problems with rafer and thought brooks was better for the rox. A little later, rafer was traded. I do remember someone quoting me on that and saying since I made the comment, it must be a lie. Believe me when I tell u the hangup on the amare deal was very, very minor. Maybe Morey and his magic stick has a huge tide turning deal, but I don't see it unless its bosh. Maybe he lies like most other gm's. I can also tell you Detroit really wanted no part of picking daye. You don't have to belive me on that one either. Just like many on this board thought it was such a bad move to buy the lakers pick at 29 , but its a lot easier to be at 29 and move up to the high 20's and take a guy like mullens to back up yao than to not even have a pick.
and maybe if they were close to dumping Yi then it would be a different story, but they aren't close. If landry was millsap, then they'd probably risk getting him even if Yi couldn't be traded out, but landry isn't millsap, so no, if i was thorn i wouldnt take a chance on landry when he may end up being nothing more than a solid back up, and then i may end up stuck with Yi, landry AND sean, who's also been somewhat difficult to move. Why would he want to risk being stuck with extra players like that in 2010 when they make a run at lebron? And once again, to you, lowry may seem logical, but we dont know what thorn really wants. Maybe he wants quick point guards, so lowry doesnt fit, maybe he wants better shooting point guards, so again he doesnt fit. You're trying to give him a few pieces for them to keep, but they didnt want that much, they apparently wanted one nice young player and then expiring contracts, they can't just keep stockpiling young guys, even if talented, because then they may not have space for a shot at lebron, but of course they still need some talent to attract James, so they appear to be trying to get just enough pieces to be a good team, but still need enough space to clear out salary...
If u knew 25% of what I knew in terms of basketball,people,finance, and the world, u would be out of high school and probably a self made man like myself. Since u don't, u just sac chase me on this board and that's cool, I can feel that. Keep you internet set like a pager so everytime I post, you can log on with your failed logic.
The OP seems to think that the GMs Morey deal with are like the computer in NBA live, you throw in a few different pieces, you throw in some draft picks, eventually the computer relents and gives you what you want. What if the GMs we were dealing with simply did not like the pieces we have? It seems like the one trade we missed out on is the Carter deal. Mcgrady + Lowry for Carter + Simmons seems like a comparable trade to the package Orlando offered. But what if Rod Thorn just loved Courtney Lee? What if he just didn't want anything to do with our guys? Is Morey supposed to just use some Jedi mind trick on him? I don't think the Amare deal was close at all, look at the package that G state is rumored to give up, we can't compete with that. It looks to me like the one thing we were really working was getting high in the draft and getting Rubio. I'm disappointed that we did not get it done, but if I put myself in Chris Wallace's shoes, I wouldn't be willing to give up #2 for the likes of Brooks + Landry either.
You say you know agents and players and for us to believe you about the minor hangup in the Amare deal. I can't believe you unless you are Robert Sarver / Steve Kerr. GMs lie to everyone, players and agents included, just look at the crap that Kahn and Ainge were spewing the last few days. Here's a likely scenario: Kerr wanted to get Curry from G state, G state didn't want to give Curry up. Kerr goes and tells a few people that Houston is close to acquiring Amare, only a 'minor' hangup is in the way. Those few people just happened to have big mouths and word gets back to G state, G states caves because they're afraid that Houston gets Amare. Your source was likely a pawn in the game.
This is exactly what Morey has so far done through the draft: trade for Luis Scola, draft Brooks as a late first rounder, and draft Carl Landry in the 2nd round. And while we're at he traded for Kyle Lowry who clearly has a bright future ahead of him. Bottomline is I trust Morey with prospects. That's a huge chuck of our rotation where he turned nothing into something. That's his plan trying to accumulate as much tradable assets. You have to patient and wait for the right deal, the Lakers got Pau at the trade deadline, teams are going to start cringing and getting desperate.
I see no one wants to acknowledge morey tried to get Gay back with shane being part of the deal. It also seems the suns want gay also. It would be nice if the rox had a bargaining chip like gay. Oh we did, but all we got is a guy who avg 5 ppg on the road in the playoffs.
