Stop you're whining already. Thank god you're not the GM. Maybe you should try using a little brain because Morey is doing fine. As a GM you don't try to look too desperate because the other team will be asking for more. I think Morey is just playing the right card and being caution. Don't expect the Suns to play nice with us. They know we just need one missing link to become a tough team and be able to win it all. Their dealing with the Warriors because that team isn't going to win at all.
Any way you want to slice it, its premature to call this offseason a failure at this stage. The Rockets know what their needs are, and all the reports indicate they've been very active in finding a way to best fulfill those needs. Unfortunately, they're not alone in their pursuits, and there are a limited pool of worthwhile players available. I don't think it makes sense to scrutinize offseason dealings at this stage when there is such a lack of information on what's happening behind the scenes. None of us know what demands other teams were making. The Rockets have made their best acquisitions the last couple offseasons after the draft. Their record warrants more patience from the fans, IMO.
I'm not saying Manu's not huge for them, but the Spurs are just not as tough on the inside as they used to be.
A little disappointed that we couldn't get into the top 10 or top 5 and take Evans, Curry, Demar, etc. but we did well regardless. We had nothing and took cash and future picks and got 3 guys...definitely added some fodder for future moves...the off season isn't over, and we still have some serious issues at this point.
you're assuming the bucks actually wanted to keep the players they got back...it goes back to what i wrote about it all comes down to what the teams want, not what fans see as reasonable. I've mentioned to you many times there's a financial side to the NBA that fans don't always take into consideration and that's sometimes the only reasoning behind moves, it's not always about players and their talent. This is one of those cases, JVg mentioned it during the draft, the bucks obviously said screw the talent we need financial relief for 2010 and they got it. Bowen and Thomas both expire in 2010, so did Oberto, but he was traded for Amir, amir is probably going to be test driven since he's a better talent in the ling run than Oberto, but he too has a contract that ends in 2010. It's not a coincidence...shane's salary would be a good chunk of the deal you just suggested and he has one year still left after 2010, so although it makes sense to you talent wise, it wouldn't be acceptable to the bucks...
and morey mentioned in his interview this morning that even with the trades that have taken place he feels bigger moves will be made once the FA signing period kicks in.
You also forgot to mention that the Bucks were slightly better with Jefferson on the bench, which was pointed out by ESPNs John Hollinger. No way in hell I throw Shane in on a deal to aquire a player like Jefferson with a 15million dollar contract.
DD, don't sugarcoat the turd. I know there is still worrk to be done, but the spurs have a lot less work to do than the rox. Then watch a guy like rasheed or some other useful vet go there for cheap.
if sheed goes to the spurs, just give them the damn ring. that's so unfair if they can retool so damn quick after a mediocre year (to their standards). we need to use tmac's contract, these picks to get someone talented real quick. idk, do something with chris bosh, amare still, or SOMETHING.
There are two things at play here Leeb, one is the draft, and we got 3 picks while not giving up anything etc. That was ok. The other is that the team obviously was waiting for the draft while other teams were more aggressive. THAT part pisses me off, we let two potential pieces go to competitors for garbage, when we could have arguably beaten both those deals. So, the draft, I am semi- ok with....the offseason in general, I have serious issues with.... DD
t_mac1 and leebigz Look; 1) There are 3 months of off season left. 2) Morey spends 10000x times the effort you guys spend complaining on the forums looking for trades. 3) We have no picks; Les Alexander was willing to spend 6m of his own money so we could get three picks this year. 4) We weren't able to move up into the lottery perhaps because the cost was way too steep or teams weren't willing to sell. It wasn't as it Morey was sitting around doing nothing. 5) A trade is always two sided; just because you two thinks a trade is good doesn't mean the other team's GM will accept it. 6) It is easier to move three smallers expiring contracts than move TMac's 23m. Last time I checked, TMac can't be just flipped like Oberto for Amir Johnson. 7) RJ is a not a very good player; severely overrated and is rapidly declining. Vince Carter is pretty decent, but Nets fans have long rejected a proposed TMac for Carter trade. There is nothing of value that we can add to make the deal work; Lee is 3x the player Brooks is. Landry has reached his sealing and is nothing more than an efficient, but undersized bench PF. Shaq wasn't looking to be Yao's backup, and I doubt we were looking to dump all our expiring contract for an old backup center. 8) Chill the @#$% out
just anxious man. this is a VERY crucial offseason for this team. but yes, i should chill down. HOWEVER, from the outside, it appears a lot of effort is towards the draft. i prefer more toward young, established players. i'm sure morey will do something nice again. just anxious though.
I never call anyone dumb, but sometimes smart people make dumb comments. Jefferson on the rox is the 2nd best player. Jefferson on the spurs is 3rd maybe 4th. What in your brain doesn't compute? Jefferson is a very good player that provide everything from the wing spot the rox don't have to run adelmans offense. Not only that, he's a good defender. Top that off, the spurs got him for trash. Carter is the same way. On the rox, he's maybe even 1a, on the magic, he's probably 3rd. That's the arms war the rockets are facing as we speak. The spurs,magic, and cavs aren't making deals to win a playoff series or get to the finals, they're making moves to win the title. Its about seizing and knowing the market. Now I never said the dealings were through and the rox were bound for last place, but I will say there was a very good deal there for amare and because of a little haggling, it fell through and is now destin to go to gsw. I don't ever give up my sources nor do I install riddles, but another poster and myself know something that a lot of you don't. Its really frustrating accumulating guys like chase, when wafer is way ahead of him and the vcu guy. The spurs didn't sit back and decided to rely on a 2nd rd pick to get them over the top. What they also did was guarantee they will always have 3 guys on the floor that can drop 20 in a efficient way. That is what makes champions.
No one is saying they will help us to be an elite. Stop being grumpy. Chill out. We still got MONTHS before the training camp. Were you one of dem people that complained about Donte Greene and Joey Dorsey, and saying that we still ain't elite? We traded Greene for Artest late July and early August. God damn it, be patient. It's still freakin June. You can't use the Spurs as the win-now situation. They freakin tanked to get Duncan. You be praising them, but what about us? You a fan? You wanna hear something? Spurs traded a valuable player to get rid of Jakie Butler and his contract. Who was that player, and to who? That's right. It was Scola. Now stop yapping, and come to your damn senses. You don't think people see us capable of winning a title? Hell, the free agency hasn't even STARTED. You really wanna see Joe Smith (Cleveland) to us? Orlando has never gotten those "cheap" rental discounts. Lakers only cheap rental was Fisher, but that under extreme circumstances. Only team to really have gotten "discounts" are Spurs and Boston. Better prospects? How would you or I know? Morey said that Von had more explosiveness, but Taylor got a better overall game. Hell, Von is not even guaranteed as a Rocket next year. White has a non-guaranteed contract, so we might be saying good bye to him next season. Bucks didn't want anything except pure salary relief and possible a little veteran help. They got 13 million dollars expiring from Spurs. Shane has 5-6 million dollar guaranteed. What use would they have for him? Shane doesn't make them a title contending team. Ripple effect? Tell me how trading the lotto pick affected us drafting Chase and drafting Dorsey over Jordan. We ain't the only one that passed on Jordan. Jordan and Dorsey are still potential players. Jordan might not even improve one bit, while Dorsey may improve a lot. Or vice versa. So stop complaining about drafting Jordan. And again, the offseason ain't done. How the hell can you be so impatient. You want us to hurry up and trade? We got the biggest trade asset in McGrady. We got plenty of time, so relax. Spurs got plenty of stuff to do. They still got no great center, if Timmy is playing the PF. Timmy is getting a year older, and with him and Manu's injury proneness..., they also gotta get back-ups.
when did they sign artest last season? leebigez, i usually agree with you but your zeal to criticize morey right now isn't logical or fair.
If u know the scenerio of a team like nj, u will know the only thing the really want is capspace for 2010. That's why they gave away carter. So let me throw this at u since u don't seem to understand. Carter,Simmons,Boone, Dooling for Tracy,Lowry barry or hayes, scola or landry. What would u do? The rox get 1 sg and a backup which gets rid of artest and they get a vet backup pg and a backup center. The nets get a huge expiring, a young backup pg, a expiring in barry, and either the crafty vet or the young legs as a pf. What's not to like about a deal like that for both teams?
