You forgot Larry Brown. He has been turning lottery teams into playoff contenders, before Stephen Jackson even came to the Bobcats.
Huh? The Knicks have about $32-33M in total cap room. You just added $45M in salary: Rudy Gay - $12M Carlos Boozer - $12M David Lee - $12M Plus, another $9M??? First of all, Memphis would match an offer sheet for Rudy Gay starting at $10M in a freakin' heartbeat. Now, if he's offered $14-15M, that might be another story. Carlos Boozer is going to want more than $10M, and Miami might be willing to oblige him, especially if Amare stays in Phoenix. David Lee is going to be the beneficiary of putting up ridiculous stats in D'Antoni's system. He'll make somewhere in the $10-12M range (although I don't think he's worth that much). There is no way the Knicks get all of those three players plus another very good player like Mike Miller. It's just not feasible.
I don't know why you bother using real numbers and the actual CBA rules with him. The guy is making up his own CBA rules for the league. There's no way you can beat make-believe NBA rules.
It may be enticing to free agents signing with the Jazz. The team was really gutted by management. They traded away any 1st round pick that they could within CBA rules.
32 to 33? I was under the assumption max contracts are in the 20 million range, not 16 mill. I suppose we'll just have to see what happens this summer, my bet is though NY ends up having a team decent enough to contend for the playoffs.
Heres a good breakdown of how it could go down with the Knicks according to Larry Coon: http://www.***************/Story.asp?STORY_ID=15454
Starting max salaries are approximately $16 million, not $20 million. That's why $33 million in capspace allows a team to sign 2 max players.
Yes, because god forbid it a team playing in one of the biggest markets in the world with capspace enough to sign 2 max free agents will be able to field a team decent enough to make the playoff in the east. I got news for you genius, even Bima's figures aren't real, they are just reasonable projections that he came up with to the best of his ability. We won't know the real figures until the league releases an official declaration. Even the memo the league sent projecting the cap at 53 million can still be revised. You don't even know what the "real numbers" are
so unless i missed something then they don't have the ability to sign 2 max contracts and fill out their roster with min contract players. is that correct?
Brown and Bobcats before the Jackson trade did not have the wins to be placed in the top 8 of their conference
Because frankly, even if our line of thinking is generous and the cap is say, 55 million, the concept of New York signing two max free agents is bullcrap that ESPN peddles to those who really don't understand the salary cap. And that's not even getting into the fact that who would these two max free agents be, as Lebron isn't leaving and Wade would prefer Miami or Chicago. New York's best case scenario is Bosh and Johnson, and even then it would still be an 6th seed at best, which is a pick in the low 20s as a worst case scenario, with the potential for much more. I'll easily take it. < Good. >
Im sorry I was unclear, technically they could if the cap figure isnt the rock bottom cap number of 53, if its 54 or 55 they could have 2 max free agents, assuming they can go over the cap to sign minimum players. All this doesnt seem feasable however.
Brown takes a season to turn teams around. Look at the record. You put Vincent or Bickerstaff back in charge and they won't have enough wins to be in the top 8. http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/brownla01c.html http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/vincesa01c.html http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/bickebe99c.html
How did you come up with that $45 mil in cap space? League is projecting revenues to go down. That is the one constant. Nobody will have $45 mil in cap space in that scenario.
The only "reasonable projections" are the actual amount of the salary cap and, hence, the precise amount of cap room for the Knicks. The vast majority of projections are pointing for a cap in the $53-54M range. Some have the cap as low as $50M, although early revenue reports are point to something more in the $53-54M range. The actual maximum salary for Lebron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh is not an estimate. It is $16.57M. That's a fact. It's 105% of their current salaries. Unless the cap INCREASES by a lot (and that absolutely will not happen), this is the most that those guys (as seven year veterans) can make next year. Even if the cap only goes down a little, the Knicks won't be able to do much more than sign two max guys. No significant third free agent. That's it. There's no argument about that.
Sorry about that forgetting about utah owning the knicks pick year. I agree with what you said about the new cba stoping teams, but we're talking about the knicks. There are some good players on poor teams with multiple years left on their contract. I'm thinking about jefferson,baron,kaman to name a few.Utah had a boatload of capspace and signed 2 sub 25 yr old trending upward.
Didn't the Jazz go from a 42-40 record to a 26-56 record after signing Okur and Boozer? That's the basis for your premise that the Knicks draft pick won't be high next year? It just makes me even more excited. :grin:
Maybe the Knicks could get their hands on Baron Davis, but not the other two you just mentioned. Minnesota isn't trading Jefferson unless it's for a "Kevin Martin" type wing player. Not for Eddy Curry's expiring contract, that's for sure. The Clippers actually turned down some pretty decent salary cap relief deals for Kaman at the trade deadline. They have now committed to Kaman as a franchise cornerstone. My point about the effect of the new CBA was that it would be harder for the "sellers" to get good again. Therefore, fewer teams might want to dump salary in exchange for "cap relief", since that relief would not translate into renewed success in the longer term. New York is screwed. They have very few options. I think the best they can hope for is Joe Johnson and a re-signed David Lee. And I don't think Johnson's leaving Atlanta. Even with him, the Knicks won't be that good. You'd basically be swapping out Tracy McGrady, Al Harrington, Chris Duhon, Sergio Rodriguez and Eddie House for Joe Johnson and a bunch of D-League All-Stars. Not much of an upgrade, if any. That 2011 pick's going to be top 10, if not top 5.
