I have gone on here and said very early on last year that I was wrong about Hill. And while others where bashing him this summer I said I saw moments of him this summer that still impressed. My judgement was based on his performance as a knick which was limited. But in that limited video I saw a guy who looked like he had a bad attitude to go along with bad performances. Go search any video you can find of him and you will see what I am talking about. He proved me wrong. As for Dorsey. It wasn't me it was Morey who said Dorsey is the type of center this league is turning too. Morey was first high on him before me. Morey wanted to resign him after he was released. I personally still think Dorsey is an amazing talent. What I didn't know is he was kind of dumb. I mean really kind of dumb. Adelman didn't play him because he never followed any of the defensive schemes. Battier shook his head when asked about Dorsey's play. Dorsey still is a beast and the Kings wanted almost as much as Landry. QUickly the learned he is a crazy beast. Dorsey is playing great in Toronto. Maybe that will last but I have my doubts. Let's see what else did you say? Oh yeah Francis. Yeah that was a no brainer. We signed him for lle money. Yao loved him and was happy to have him back. He was a fan favorite that immediately brought more people to the games. If he panned out we would be geniuses and if he didn't the money spent was small. Of course I didn't know he was an alcoholic. I thought he was really injured and would fully recover and be a steal. In the end he was what help get us Lowry. That turned out good. Not knowing what I know now I would do it again and so would Les! Next... Morey is a lowballing cheapskate. That was a compliment. That is what your GM is supposed to do. I did feel in the case of Scola that we mmight be better served just offering him a fair deal and see if he accepts. I understand the way he handled Landry and Lowry was the way to go. But Scola was a different guy. he just wanted a fair deal. He wanted to stay. In the end that is what happen. But being a lowballing Cheapskate is exactly Morey's job title and he is one of the best at it! Kudos to Morey!!!! Okay and finally... Larry Sanders. Larry Sanders was one of the top Rookies in the summmer league. Clearly far superior than PP. Okay s/l doesn't mean ****. The other night he made Greg Monroe cry. How conveniently you left out his 8 rebounds and 5 block shots. 5 BLOCK SHOTS!!!! If PP had a 5 block shots in a game the whole board would be going nuts! As for his shooting Sanders has averaged over 50% his whole career. He will never average 30% for a season I will bet big money on that. Tonight PP played 21 minutes shot 3-7 grabbed 4 board with no blocks and nothing really stood out. Now don't get me wrong I like PP but Sanders got 5 Freaking Block Shots. He made Greg Monroe cry! How badly could we use a legitimate shot blocker on this team! 5 FREAKING BLOCKS in under 30 minutes! I hope I answered all of your questions.
what they cut mike harris again?! oh no!!!! not again!!! i cant take it anymore!!! now im gonna drive my geo of the 59 freeway after hearing such terrible news!!!! he was very important roleplayer to that 20 somthing win season.
-IIRC, you claimed to have seen both Hill and Dorsey play in college and where pretty confident in the fact that Dorsey was vastly superior to Hill. -How exactly did Francis have anything to do with Lowry. - I did conventionality leave out blocks similar to how you left out FG% on 17 during Sanders dominating game, or how you rounded 32 minutes to 25. He shot 29% on 17 shots as a PF, it's hard to qualify that as a good game. Definently not enough to say "Larry Sanders is outplaying him in every way so far." - Isn't pretending to know what's going on behind the scenes exactly what your doing. Are you an insider? I don't recall you ever claiming to be.
Come on GM. Where are you making up this **** from. I saw very little of Hill's college game and it was only after the fact of trading for him. I didn't see alot of his knicks footage because there wasn't alot. Again as I said I was wrong about him. So quit being an idiot and accept that I admit he is better than what I first thought. As for Dorsey I did watch alot. And he still is a beast. But he is also a bit psycho and dumb! Do you know any other player who got kicked out of a summer league game while in street clothes. And I still go back to Morey who said Dorsey is the future at the center spot. he is what the league is turning too. And even after the Kings released him Morey wanted him back. SO on that me and Morey were a little bit on the same page. Only I think Dorsey might be too dumb and crazy to ever be anything in this league. As for Francis, yes he was not part of the Lowry deal my bad. But read my words and stop being stupid. If you want that say that you knew back then Francis was a bad deal go ahead and have it. But read the threads about it and you will find you are one of the few. To me it was a no brainer because it only cost us the lLE. We didn't have to give up any players to get Francis and he was such a phenomenon player before and he was relatively young so I thought he could do it again. He still is not old. I didn't know he was an alcoholic. I didn't f***ing know he was an alcoholic. That makes the deal bad. He should have been in his prime when he got to us. But instead he was a ****ing alcoholic. If you follow the Rockets game you saw how he won us that one game. Yao and him where doing a monster dance after that. It was great but he never got better than that and I suspect it was because he was an alcoholic. Now you may be one of the few to know that his career was over but I didn't. And the risk to reward was great. Little money on short contract, once great still young, Crowd pleaser, he only cost us money and not players and Morey approved it not me! So you can sit over there and say you knew it was a bad deal from the get go but I didn't. I thought it was a low risk hi reward type deal. And I would make those deals all the time. Detroit signed Tracy McGrady to one of those deals just this year. To me that's a no brainer. If he fails so what. he is popular and brings a buzz to Detroit that they wouldn't have otherwise. And if he fails the cost is minimal. So you can have that if you wan. It was a bad deal. But quit being stupid and arguing about nothing. Okay my numbers are not right. I didn't read the f***ing box score. My bad he shot 29.12 % in 32 minutes that game. But he totally outplayed PP in S/L. His But he got 5 BLOCKS in that game. 5 ****ING BLOCKS! Do you think PP will ever get 5 blocks in any game this year! Larry Sanders is a defensive specialists. we need a shot blocking defensive specialists on this team. And the thing about him is he is so raw. Everybody says this kid has huge upside! He has Huge upside and already he got 5 BLOCKS in an NBA game! But don't take myy word for it read what these guys have to say about him. Matt Moore, CBS Sports: The Bucks are going to have a fleet of capable, talented power forwards this season. Sanders was one of the most impressive rookies in Vegas, playing solid defense, showing off a well-balanced frame, and looking very much like a versatile offensive option. Sanders’ mid-range game was considerably better than expected. He showed nice tough with the ball and again, is a mountain in terms of size. He needs to work on his spacing and defensive awareness, but it was a very impressive showing. TrueHoop: How will Larry Sanders’ game fit in with Milwaukee’s existing parts? His sound face-up 18-footer will help a Bucks offense that was choked for open space in the half court. He also gives Brandon Jennings another dependable partner on the pick-and-roll and wins almost every race to the rim in transition. A Sanders-Andrew Bogut tandem could eventually constitute the best defensive frontcourt in the league. Milwaukee is unlikely to reach the highest echelon in the East with its firepower, but by blanketing the paint with two capable pick-and-roll defenders who can block shots and clean the glass, the Bucks have the makings of a team that could post a stingy defensive efficiency rating in the high 90s. Jarrod Gillis, Examiner: In four games of summer league action Sanders is averaging 13.3 points, 9.3 rebounds, 1.8 steals, and 3.2 blocks per game (leads Bucks summer league team in points, rebounds, and blocks). He is the type of player that guys love to play with strictly based on the fact that he cleans up everything around the basket and has everyone’s back on the defensive end. His game very closely mirrors that of one, Marcus Camby. Another long, wiry 6′11″ guy that has made quite a career out of using his length, athleticism and excellent timing to wreak havoc on the defensive end of the court. Not a bad comparison, as Camby, when healthy, is one of the most dynamic players we have in our league today from a defensive standpoint. Sanders is not a fluent offensive player at this point in his early career. And from watching him courtside it is telling that his slight frame is a major issue when attempting to establish position on the block. Frank Madden, BrewHoop: He again looked very comfortable catching and shooting from 15-18 feet, and by the end of the game he was really feeling good when he buried those two threes. He also splashed in a turnaround from the post for the second straight game, and all told it’s hard to deny that Sanders has more touch than he was given credit for before the draft. I don’t see him pumping in too many triples come the regular season, but his compact, well-balanced stroke looks like it should be a weapon from mid-range. Sanders also finished inside on a handful of occasions, throwing down a nice one-handed dunk and a couple short glassers off of broken plays. It looks like he has room to improve his finishing strength, but his opportunities have also been somewhat limited given the guards he’s playing with in Vegas. Lastly, Sanders had a couple nice passes to find Gallon open for layups, and he also had a very nice bounce pass out of the post to a cutting guard. I wrote last night that he’s definitely not just an athlete, and tonight we saw it even more. Jon Krolik, ProBasketballTalk: Larry Sanders can flat-out play. He has so much skill for a guy with his size, length, and athleticism, and he’s one of the best defenders in Summer League. I’m genuinely excited to see a defensive frontline of Mbah a Moute/Sanders/Bogut in some situations next season. Kevin Arnovitz, TrueHoop: The best descriptor for Larry Sanders? Grown-up. Sanders knows his way around a basketball court. He’s a vocal, standout team defender who knows where and, more important, when his help is needed. Offensively, he sets up low on the block — primed for the deep catch — and wins every race to the rim in transition. When he steps out to 17 feet, Sanders launches a face-up jumper with an air-tight rotation on the ball. Sanders may never be a Top 5 power forward in the league, but his fundamentals suggest he’s going to be a pretty effective player for a very long time. If you will not acknowledge at least that there is a possibility that Sanders may be the better choice than you are just arguing to be right and that makes you an idiot in my book. As far as being an insider you are the only one acting like you know something. I just told you what I heard Adellman and Morey say. From their mouth.
ron artest, dennis rodman, vernon maxwell, reggie evans? your never too crazy to make your mark in the nba unless your name is leon smith.
Just wondering where you got that bit from. Morey wanted Dorsey back? First time I hear that. I only remember Morey making fun of him ("we finally found one thing Joey is good at") when he was still on our roster.
I recall the same thing. They talked about it after the draft, but I view it as Morey listening to his team and them making a decision together. DD
Morey and his crew were largely responsible for drafting Brooks. Jonathan, I've heard that Adelman had a lot to do with the Brooks draft pick. I've heard that he watched him play at Oregon and liked his game and urged Morey to pick him. Is this fact or fiction? Thanks, in advance. (It is a drastic exaggeration. Adelman was well aware of Brooks and had a favorable impression, but he was very much selected through the customary evaluations, incluuding an especially impressive showing in the predraft camp in Orlando. -- Jonathan) http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2009/09/summers_gone_and_the_time_is_r.html
Feigen is a good writer, but he is embedded now, you will never see a cross word from the guy riding the company jet to away games. DD
I actually can't stand Feigen for 2 reasons - what you are referring to and his quirky writing style. Having said that, if he was doing what you are alluding to in this case, he probably gives a vague answer, merely suggesting that it was Morey and his staff. Instead, he is very detailed and absolute in his response. I tend to believe him on this one.
Offtopic Brooksball, but why would a guy who signged up with a nickname about Aaron Brooks be so down on the guy? What happened that made you think he was not all that he could be? DD
Not sure what you mean. I see positive and negative in Brooks and try to stay unbiased when evaluating him. I think he's a good player and aside from last night, he looked very good in preseason - best 3 game stretch of defense I had ever seen from him and he was running the offense well. I even pointed out how he was having no problem getting the ball to Yao in a game thread and you responded to that post, iirc. Back to those Feigen statements. I'm not even sure why you want to disagree with it. It means that both Adelman and Morey were on board with the pick. If you are pro-Brooks, it's better than only one or the other being in favor of it. It means that they both saw something special enough in him to use a 1st rd pick on him despite his obvious weaknesses/limitations.
Adelman pointed him out, as part of the process, and Morey agreed. Whomever you want to give credit to personally is how you are going to view that scenario. DD
Here's the comment from a few days ago and your response below it, just to show that I say positive stuff about Brooks as well: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=5619159#post5619159 I think the negative stuff just stands out to you because of your latest CF mission... heh. I've said at least as much positive stuff about him. I guess I'm just willing to criticize Brooks as well as compliment him. I also don't hesitate to recognize that Lowry is a special player.
I agree about Brooks, and I think Lowry is a nice player too...I just get tired of people thinking Lowry is as good as Brooks, it is not even close. Brooks is a special talent, Lowry is a great backup PG....big difference. DD
Wow it looks like Jermaine Taylor will just just have to settle for being the Rockets version of Gerald Wallce when he used to play for the Kings for now. How can you not get playing time in a pre-season game?
Wallace was way better than Taylor, but it is not a bad comparison. To me Taylor seems more like Kirk Snyder. DD
Thanks. I don't buy this whole "Adelman picked Brooks" idea either. I don't remember hearing it back then, and don't see any evidence of it now. I do know Adelman watched Brooks and liked him, but that's it.
Funny, I don't buy the Morey's metrics are the key to drafting well either. I believe it is good old fashioned basketball scouting.....that is the primary reason to draft someone. DD
