Exactly, the people saying otherwise and this includes Morey as well if he wants to bench Howard............. people saying these things because of geek fantasy stats are just showing that the nerdier you are, the lower your observation and perception abilites get.
Don't know what "geek fantasy stats" refer to. But your suggestions that stats don't mean anything is preposterous. No credible basketball coach or GM takes your position. Let's see what Hubie Brown, someone who's basketball knowledge far surpasses that of anyone on this board, has to say on this topic: There it is. Statistics are an important for analyzing the game and forming appropriate strategies. They basically go hand in hand. Those "at a sixth grade level" may not appreciate that fact, but that's the reality.
If this is the case for Juwan not playing, Morey and JVG should both kick out from the Rockets. Only a scrub coach will let a to-be GM to tell him how to coach in order to save his job. And what does this number guy Morey knows about bball? I dont have wet dreams of rookies or Chuck Hayes guys. Juwan should be in the rotation at least and the Rockets will be a better team.
Yeah, right. Bruce Bowen has terrible +/- and PER. So go to tell Pop not to play the best one-on-one defender.
Who said that +/- and PER will accurately guage the value of every player? Some players contribute in ways that aren't captured well by those stats. That doesn't invalidate their value when analyzing the game, though. You need to know the limitations, when it makes sense to apply them, and how to draw conclusions from them. And, obviously, statistical analysis in basketball is not limited to those two metrics.
According to everything you pot Bruce Bowen should never ever see the floor for the Spurs, yet when this is brought up you carefully bring out the whole there are exceptions to every rule thing. However strangely enough when dozens of people here bring this up in the case of the first game and regards to not playing Howard you simply REFUSE to even being open to the mere thought or suggestion that Howard should have at least seen a good 10 to 12 minutes out there. Like I said, you are obviously just a Howard hater and hayes lover or something, either that or you have taken these plus minus stats to the point of literally being absurd.
Again, I asked you to show me where I contradicted myself. Show where I ever said that PER or +/- tells you all you need to know about a player's performance. Perhaps you're the one who doesn't understand what "contradiction" means. I don't think he "should" have gotten 10 to 12 minutes. Dont' know what you mean about me "refusing to be open" about it. If he did get those minutes against the Jazz and we lost, I wouldn't have thrown a big hissy fit like you're doing right now. What point would that be?
Now don't be hatin'! I'm actually kind of enjoying this - some of the posts (like DaD's) had me ROTLMAO (JH as a backup 5, that was a good one!). Folks here need to seriously cut back on their consumption of Rockets red koolaid and wait for 20-25 games to pass before heading for the lifeboats and shooting off distress rockets (that's a Titanic reference for all of the Celine Dion haters out there...).
I'm sorry dude, but howard needs to play. If he doesn't play the rockets are going to continue to have the same problems as they had Wednesday. Howard is a part of the depth of this team. As much as you hate him he is better going against the big 4's.
True enough. But a little panic sets in when you realize that the team is paying nearly 7 million dollars a year to let Juwan Howard eat Krispy Kremes (TM, all rights reserved, etc etc) and 16.whatever million this year to hear their star player talk about how his team couldn't match the opponent's intensity. Not encouraging signs. If we run to the lifeboats, it's just because we've seen this movie before: "Fishin' in April." And if Juwan isn't gonna play, tee him up with one of our guards and ship him out for someone who will play for us.
I'll go with that stats stuff to a certain extent, but logic tells me to go with Howard against the big 4's. That's an extra six fouls the rockets can used to keep battier on the court. The rockets should've at least experiment with howard playing with this group of talent before dissing it.
I'm looking at the whole process as an experiment where the rockets are trying to see if they can used battier at the four because of Morey stats. But eventually that experiment will fail. All lost brain cells will return and howard will be back in the rotation.
I wonder if Rockets Dynasty will tell us some eyewitness accounts about the young Juwan howard and how he once shut down Karl Malone on defense to the point where Karl was so frustrated he drove his truck into a brick wall in the Delta center during a Jazz-Bullets game, and then how Howard and Sura beat Chuck Norris in a roundhouse kicking contest with one leg tied behind their backs.
LMFAO, this is hilarious. He doesn't do any of the things you mentioned. The only thing he can do is score in the mid range area - at a horrible efficiency level.
How can you dismiss the +/- rating when it directly relates to the Rockets being a better team? Isn't that the ultimate and undeniable stat? Chuck had the best +/- of any player on the Rockets last year at +10 while Juwan had the worst at -9. That's a huge discrepancy. Deke was -3.7 In the Jazz game, the Rockets were 3 points better than the Jazz when Chuck was on the floor. With Deke, we were 8 points worse than the Jazz. We don't need 5 guys on the floor who can make an outside shot. Somebody needs to play defense and get a rebound. Chuck is the best option at backup Center. He should only have problems with guys like Shaq or Kaman. His wingspan is 6'10 so he plays bigger than 6'6. Chuck has played and played well against bigger opponents his entire career. He knows how to use his length, body position, and quickness to cause all kinds of problems. If his name was Ryan Bowen, he would be JVG's favorite player and you couldn't get him off the floor. Draw your own conclusion from that statement. I love Deke and Howard as people. I know they give effort. But I want the Rockets to win and Chuck gives us the best chance.
If the Rockets truly intend to have Howard planted on the bench for the next 3 years of his contract, what exactly was the point in having him play so many minutes and start pretty much every single game last season? If Van Gundy felt Juwan was not in his long term plans, why didn’t he bench Juwan toward the end of last season and give more playing time to Hayes (for development) and Swift (to up his trade value)? Seems like a lack of foresight on Van Gundy's behalf.
no one hates Juwan, they just think he sucks. Apparently so does JVG thats why we traded a pick for a more versatile powerforward.
It has nothing to do with a bail out. Its about having a complete team on the floor, with good matchups. Howard has the size, and can play the PF position decently. I doubt Howard could have slowed Boozer significantly, but then again, we wouldnt have been so abused on the boards and outmuscled as we were.
