Where Does the Conservative Anti-Government Mantra Come From?

An abortion isn't cosmetic surgery. Just making that comparison drops you down three levels of stupid. The classic conservative tactic of using the exception to base an argument.

Following your line of logic... I don't care how many wars you conservatives want to fight, as long as your families fight them and pay for them.

 

No thumbs, I'm not at all surprised by that.

When you can answer me why this sudden uprising just happened to occur during the advent of a new (and democrat) presidency in a satisfactory fashion, I'll submit to your typical talking points on this subject. Until then, it's just sad partisan bull****, only made more revolting by the selective amnesia this group seems to exhibit about the last eight years. I have standards. They ain't much, but that's about all I have left to rely on anymore - and they tell me this collective (see what I did there? ) is not my cup of tea (lol, I did it again!).

 

I've actually wondered about this myself. This is a country that supposedly hates debt and despises social programs yet has no issue with a TRILLION dollar a year defense budget. Do we really need to spend that much money on defense? Are we really that much at risk? *****ed up priorities if you ask me.

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1941

Debt itself is interesting. When Reagan and Bush were blowing Billions on tax cuts for the rich and military we didn't mind. Now that spending is for tax cuts for the middle class, infrastructure, healthcare suddenly debt is evil?

Debt is a tool. Used properly you SAVE money in the long run, create jobs, and increase prosperity and quality of life. Used improperly (Reagan/Bush) you create nothing but more debt.

Of course this is also a country with people still under the delusion that Reagan was a great president when in fact he spent more money than every other president before him combined, turned this country from the largest creditor to the largest debtor, all while creating less jobs than Carter. His trickle down/voodoo/supply side BS did NOT increase tax revenues. There was a reallocation of the AMT to the middle class not to mention a huge rise in FICA during his reign of supreme idiot.

As for government being the bad guy, this just cracks me up. The government's role is to PROTECT the citizens. Go and read The Jungle or Grapes of Wrath. It is and has always been business in this country that has attempted to take advantage. How many government agencies have been set up to bust trusts, correct monopolies, ensure safety and health, provide fair wages and normal working conditions. It was the government that forced a 40 hour work week, child labor laws, overtime, the EPA, SEC, OSHA, etc. all there to try and prevent business from abusing it's customers and workers.

The real blood of patriots that renews the tree of liberty in this country are the people who fought and died so our food is safe, our children don't play on playgrounds filled with contamination, our workplaces are asbestos free, etc.

Reagan was an idiot, I don't fear my government, I fear a deregulated economy that allows the Bernie Madoffs and Dick Fulds of this country destroy it.

 

I can understand your skepticism, but Obama was elected partly as a backlash to Bush's presidency. Spending money for healthcare seemed like a good idea -- and necessary -- but coupled with the perceived mishandling of the stimulus (true or not true), people began to believe that a multi-trillion dollar debt was not feasible at this time. I think Obama, Pelosi, Frank, Reid and all the economic factors came together at once to form a perfect political storm.

 

Fanciful. As I told Space Ghost:

"The super-wealthy here have convinced the lower-middle class that they're on the same side, and that what is good for the new nobility is good for Joe the Plumber. This isn't too hard, because Joe the Plumber is a moron. Europe and Japan are run by the middle class. It's better that way."

 

An abortion is elective surgery, just like a nose job. I don't approve of abortion so I don't want public money -- my money -- used for it any more than you want to pay for my nose job with public money -- your money. If abortion were not elective, we have a much more serious problem in this country than our disagreement.

Now, I know that you are going to jump to the conclusion that I am opposed to choice since you are stupid enough to accuse me of dropping "down three levels of stupid." I don't care if what a person chooses to do. That is that person's right. However, I should not have to pay for someone else's folly. And don't bring up rape or the pregnancy being an authentic threat to the mother's life (as opposed to her lifestyle) -- those are different scenarios.

However, both war and public funding of abortion must be enacted by Congress. So the majority of our elected representatives decide what is funded -- not you or me. BTW, go back over the last few wars and you might discover they were approved by Democrats as well as Republicans.

 

It's the hijacking of the American dream for political purposes. It used to be the American dream was being able to work hard and make something of yourself to provide a better future for your children. Now it's greed and consumerism. Everyone thinks thinks they're going to be millionaires. Bush's ownership society and Reagan's deficits don't matter melding into disaster before our very eyes.

 

Great post!

 

A person who had to keep their old nose isn't a burden on the tax system for decades. Unwanted kids often are.

 

True, but I also wonder how many gifted children we murdered -- and what kind of contributions they would have made. I often wonder what my own aborted child, a child I was powerless to save, would have become.

 

That's ridiculous. Millions of elective surgeries go on in this country that improve people's quality of life. According to you, someone who needs a pacemaker can't have surgery because its an elective procedure and your money just can't be spent on elective procedures.

Not only are you ridiculous, you're inconsistently ridiculous. If you're against public funding for abortion, then just be against it. Don't give me a list of instances in which a legal procedure is okay for your money to be spent on. That's like saying you don't support hip surgery replacements unless it's from cancer, if that guy needs a new hip because he hurt himself lifting weights then that's his own fault.

All funding is enacted by Congress, that's their job. Congress funds wars fought by Republicans because of politics. If they don't fund the wars they hate the troops and America. If Congress funds health care which includes abortions then they're godless heathens and baby killers. Are you that naive to ignore the politics of conservatism? Get a grip.

 

Judging from your response, you're not worth debating. You honestly believe a pace-maker is elective rather than life-prolonging? Read your post again and see how ridiculous you sound.

 

Unwanted children are easily preventable. If you want an abortion, you need to pay for it yourself

 

A generalization;

Liberals prefer to be the b****es of their government.
Conservatives prefer to be the b****es of the wealthy.

Meanwhile, the wealthy and the politically-powerful spend a lot of time hanging out together and laughing about what a bunch of b****es we are.

Personally, I prefer to be played a sucker by people I can vote against. It's not much, but at least it's something.

 

thumbs, I gotta disagee w/ you here.

I'd say many cancer, heart disease and diabetes is by choice.

You have 1/3 of the country that is fat and another 1/3 being uber fat. That is preventable.

people drink soda's like it's water.

The only excercise they get is getting to the fridge.

There... That's many of heart disease and diabetes cases.

Why should I pay for their lifestyle?

cancer..., there are many choices people make that causes cancer too.

smoking, tobacco, suntans, drugs, alchohol, sexual promiscuity, not eating veggies/ fiber.

The US can cure many illness can be prevented by diet and excercise, but people don't want to do it yet they want affordable health care.

It's like wreckless drivers, drunks, ricers that have many traffic violations, traffic accidents, dui's, with many totaled cars wanting affordable auto insurance. Better yet, they want it free... someone else can pay for them.

 

So Obama is a liberal who wants more gov't in our lives because he won't repeal an act pushed through by a supposed conservative????

You want all u.s. citizens to have access to health care yet you don't want the gov't to help out in that effort?

You say abortion is like a nose-job because it's a choice. Well, what about smoking cessation? What about all elective surgeries? let's say someone has a burn and is disfigured...it's a choice to have surgery is it now? What about organ transplants? One could survive on a dialysis machine. What about having a hip replacement....one could use a wheelchair instead. what about having your tonsil removed? You are proposing that the gov't should decide what health care should be covered.

How come I can't tell the gov't not to spend money on landmines? Or white phosporus? or nuclear weapons?

you can't bemoan gov't interference and then say you want the gov't only to spend money in a way that you support it. That's the opposite of what you are preaching.

Practive what you preach man.

 

The enabling legislation for this was signed by President William Jefferson Clinton.

Then, in the first part of this decade, further (bad) legislation was signed by Bush that made the problem even worse.

 

Classic. You want government out of the conversation between doctors and patients until your rigid ideology is at stake, then you want to hold the last word in that conversation. If you're a moderate conservative we should all be frightened to death.

http://www.surgeryencyclopedia.com/Ce-Fi/Elective-Surgery.html

There are literally hundreds of elective surgeries spanning all the systems of the body in modern medical practice. Several major categories of common elective procedures include:

Plastic surgery. Cosmetic or reconstructive surgery that improves appearance and in some cases, physical function.
Refractive surgery. Laser surgery for vision correction.
Gynecological surgery. Either medically necessary or optional surgery (e.g., hysterectomy , tubal ligation ).
Exploratory or diagnostic surgery. Surgery to determine the origin and extent of a medical problem, or to biopsy tissue samples.
Cardiovascular surgery. Non-emergency procedures to improve blood flow or heart function, such as angioplasty or the implantation of a pacemaker.
Musculoskeletal system surgery. Orthopedic surgical procedures, such as hip replacement and ACL reconstruction.

 

Both parties appeal to populism (and statism) when the public demands it.

Conservatives assert that larger government equals higher taxes, and more spending on people other than them. They also reason that larger government equals less local and state control, which depends more on local business interests and cultural and social values (the "backbones" of America, the "thangs that make this country great"). But when non-hispanic brown countries get uppity, they call on the government to laser-guidedly massacre them back into their place.

Liberals criticize larger government in the same way they would the military or big businesses, because they're large institutions, maan, and institutions can't survive, maan, without oppressing the poor/weak/different (also known as "the people") and placating the strong/wealthy (the various hyphenated "industrial complexes"). But when Pa Joad and Jimmy Hoffa get screwed by a normal business cycle, they hit up the government to "stimulate" the economy Mugabe- and Lenin-style.

 

This is a complete pile of hogwash. Capitalism is not founded on debt. False and fragile economies are founded on debt. Up until 1913, inflation was practically zero. The dollar has eroded somewhere near 95% since then. Lending out reserves up to 90% is ludicrous for banks. And there are people who are living on similar reserves. How many Americans out there owe more on their houses AND on their cars than what they are worth, not to mention all the debt in school and credit card loans? 30 year olds fresh out of college owning brand new houses and brand new cars is the American dream? I think not. Americans can not save money in a bank for the long term due to inflation. They are encouraged to purchase debt in the name of low yield bonds or high risk investments or "play it safe" appreciating assets such as homes. If a currency is founded on debt, then its worthless.