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Where does Francis fit?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rofflesaurus, Oct 15, 2007.

  1. TTRocket

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    Alston stinks bottom line. Ask Clutch.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Where is that number from? On NBA Hotzones, there is no spot on the court shown where he would shoot 50 % from. Plus, considering his average fg %, if the figure you quote is true, his jumpers must be at what...20 %?
     
  3. Carl Herrera

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    His 3pt jumper is 36%, of course. His 2pt jumper from 18-20 foot or so, I believe was 30%-- and that, according to John Hollinger is actually the ABSOLUTE WORST in the league among anyone who took a large enough number of them (i.e. not counting Chuck Hayes' 0 for 1).

    Guess who is the 2nd worst, though... he is a Rocket... and I'll bet it'd suprise you.

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    Personally I think the low % is a result of Van Gundy not liking 2pt jumpers, so any 15-20 foot 2 pt jumper (shot by anyone other than Juwan Howard) come as result of an accident.
     
  4. Dreamshake

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    Well you act as if JVG had a choice other than Rafer and still chose to stick with him. Pretty sneaky of you. Something tells me that if JVG had James, and Francis last year, Rafer would of found himself way down at the end of the bench.
     
  5. Dreamshake

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    If I recall the actual stat was ANY FG shot that wasn't a 3 pointer for Rafer, made him the worst shooter in the entier NBA. I may be wrong but thats how I remember reading it. I believe he also has the worst lifetime shooting percentage of anyone ever in the NBA who has attemted as many shots.
     
  6. durvasa

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    His number is from 82games. According to them, 23% of his shot attempts were "inside" -- which means around 235. Hotzones shows 308 attempts around the basket at 44 FG%, so a portion of those must be counted as "jumpers" by 82games. Weird.
     
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    330 NBA players attempted at least 100 2-point shots last year. Rafer was ranked 322nd in 2-pt%.

    Bottom 10:

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    [B]    Player	        Team	 Min	FGM	2m	2a	2pt%[/B]
    320 horry,robert	 san	1128	90	40	102	39.2%
    321 morrison,adam	 cha	2331	355	268	686	39.1%
    322 alston,rafer	 hou	3037	383	191	491	38.9%
    323 jones,damon	         cle	1177	137	48	124	38.7%
    324 noel,david	         mil	794	65	48	124	38.7%
    325 reed,justin	         min	318	40	40	107	37.4%
    326 collins,jason	 njn	1845	55	55	149	36.9%
    327 robinson,clifford    njn	951	81	56	152	36.8%
    328 ray,allan	         bos	714	100	52	143	36.4%
    329 jones,james	         pho	1378	162	72	202	35.6%
    330 claxton,speedy	 atl	1052	91	85	250	34.0%
    
    As for lifetime FG%, you're right if you look at the numbers since the 79/80 season (3-point shot introduced, link).
     
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    That's terrible!! He's the only starter on the list. He and Morrison were the only players that got to attempt more than 3 shots a game.
     
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    wow. that's pretty terrible.
     
  10. Dreamshake

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    Wow Im awesome. I guessed on the lifetime fg percentage stat. Wasnt hard to figure out considering Rafers suckitude over his entire career. As for last year. Only Jason Collins played any real significant minutes.
     
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    Man, according to the that chart there aren't many places where Rafer can hit a high percentage......at the top of the key is the only place he hits a decent percentage....some areas are just attrocious like at 20% on that right side that close to the basket.... I thought streeballers were good scorers. :eek:
     
  13. Dreamshake

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    Well according to the NBA. Rafer doesnt even hit layups at at a 45percent clip. Are we resorting to making up stats? Check Hotzones, that is about horrific for rafer.
     
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    Kim, if you are reading this thread, please post the graphic of Rafer's Hotzone stats for 06/07.
     
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    According to the hotzone chart, Francis was pretty accurate from the two corners at th3 point line last year, hitting 41% from the right corner and 42% from the left corner.....but took mostly high percentage shots right around the rim....making 53.4% at the basket where he made a living. In fact, he was playing full time in Orlando he attacked the basket more than Tmac did that year so we know that Francis will be getting to the foul line or gettig a basket at the rim. Just as I suspected, Luther Head is our most accurate shooter from more spots on the floor. Battier is more right handed and likes the corners....Head too, but more spread out. He's deadly from that right corner hitting 52.5% from 3...and hitting 48% and 46% from the top of the key and the right shoulder...while hitting 43% from the left corner.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    That is just FUGLY !!!
     
  18. Carl Herrera

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    82games.com states differently. It's entirely possible that they count things differently. Scoring is not a exact science. In the end, Rafer Alston's finishing ability is subpar, that's not in dispute. Does that mean he's terrible for the offense? Van Gundy and Adelman think otherwise. Is he great? No. Even his supporter Van Gundy wanted Mike James so he cam limit Rafer's minutes. But to say Alston is terrible in all aspects of the game, when 2 of his coaches and his GM all think otherwise is just asinine.
     
  19. mzymmm

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    I would like to add that Rafer's layups are a lot worse than .445 this graph has suggested. See those 30% 20% inside the paint area, that's where his tear-drop comes in. So he's lay-ups has a true shooting percentage of some where about 38% :D
     
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    Because he was dirt cheap and low risk.
     

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