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Where do you draw the line - transgender

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by droxford, Feb 7, 2023.

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We all draw the line some where. Where do you draw the line?

  1. Society should refer to transgenders using their preferred pronouns

    20 vote(s)
    26.0%
  2. Definitions ("man", "woman", "gender", & "sex") should be changed/eliminated due to transgenders

    2 vote(s)
    2.6%
  3. It should be permissible for transgenders to share restroom/locker room with their identified gender

    14 vote(s)
    18.2%
  4. Transgenders should be able to participate in athletic & other competitions based on their identity

    6 vote(s)
    7.8%
  5. Transgenders should qualify for loans, grants, scholarships, & admissions based on their identity

    8 vote(s)
    10.4%
  6. Gender-specific organizations should be required to accept transgendrs based on their gender idntity

    7 vote(s)
    9.1%
  7. Historical medical records & birth certificats should be changed to only show transgenders' indntity

    4 vote(s)
    5.2%
  8. Transgenders <16 yrs should be able to hve sex-reassignmnt surgery/pubrty blockrs w/o parent consent

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  9. The U.S. government should provide finances for sex-reassigned surgeries and puberty-blocking drugs

    4 vote(s)
    5.2%
  10. None of the above

    55 vote(s)
    71.4%
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    If Democrats got crushed because people's social media feeds were spammed with outrage bait about trans people while at the same time defending Hitler level rhetoric about mkgea ts with race science then ya this country is lost.



    Nazis took over Germany and they were proud, joyful and believed they owned their ideological enemies just like modern versions of that same strain of ideology that you represent do where winning is means your ideas are right and morally sound. You don't have your beliefs based in self reflection but rather what annoys your biological enemies the most. There is no sincerity within right wing politics. That's why you have people on the left for decades screaming about the Aparthied system in Israel because they sincerely care about these type of issues and your average right winger who consumes the right wing ecosystem of media from their social media feeds and their favorite influencers expresses outrage at some new niche topic they just learned about in its most reductive bad faith form a week ago. This leads to a lack of sincerity on your part where you aren't debating ideas based on principles. You are debating based on what annoys people you don't like.
     
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    Well, you lost a daughter, Elon.

    If people don't see the human behind whatever agenda and forgive her that, then, it is on them.
     
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    I don't agree with using federal tax dollars to pay for cosmetic surgeries that aren't the result of combat/ service related injuries. This includes gender-affirming surgeries. I'm open to exceptional circumstances though.
     
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    son
     
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    I'm just going to leave this here:
    If anyone wants more understanding of non-binary and trans factors, especially in micro-plastic huffing societies, you should probably read up on EDC's (endocrine disrupting chemicals) and their effects on children, hormone levels, and sexual development.

    See, for instance:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30984107/

    Ironically, politicians who want less regulation and to abolish things like the FDA are also the least sympathetic to what young people are actually telling them in an increasing number of cases. But you'd need an educated population and longer attention spans to sincerely work on this. Never mind an ounce of compassion -- so not hot right now.

    Maybe it's overall excellent news that the human race will continue to neuter itself. But in the meantime, I feel for the families and kids experiencing all of this, especially with backlash from powerful segments of society. Really happy I grew up and developed without being soaked in EDCs. Frito Pie and BBQ on paper plates in the 1970's for the win.
     
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    Isn't that one of the things RFK wants to address also? (the microplastics thing)
     
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    It seems its a whole muddled conversations from the start. From my perspective, we have always classified based on biology/chromosome while acknowledging there are rare cases of abnormalities such as hermaphrodites. We have entered this bizarre stage of cross-talk between gender identity and sex (biology).

    I have previously expressed my thoughts on the stigma of gender dysphoria (eg. I drive a big loud diesel truck because I have a little pp). Gender dysphoria has been around since the beginning of time when men have been chided for not being man enough. To wrap into your point, there are tons of environmental issues that feed into this phenomenon. It addition to your points, society is far more docile, consuming highly processed foods that lack important nutrients and other factors like screen addictions.

    Its highly important we don't go into shaming traditionalist and ostracizing them. Reproduction of our species is very important, and for all the hypothetical bullshit that gets ignorantly spewed across the board, we are at the base level programmed to reproduce, otherwise the theory of evolution is bullshit.
     
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    Reading the book "Coutdown:
    How Our Modern World Is Threatening Sperm Counts, Altering Male and Female Reproductive Development, and Imperiling the Future of the Human Race" opened my eyes.

    There are legitimately more and more people being, for lack of a better phrase, born in the wrong body. The science behind it makes perfect logical sense. I don't think we should be hating or excluding people for something they have no control over.

    But this weird gender non-binary crap and men with a full beard and a dress is obviously and clearly mental illness. No no, pick a sex and stick with it.
     
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    So do you have any proof this book is in schools?
     
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    That is not in any way an accurate description or depiction of gender dysphoria.
     
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    Is that what is happening to Musk? I know he impregnated half his employees but the older he gets the more he morphs into a slightly overweight lesbian.
     
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