Where do you draw the line - transgender

Many people site Lia Thomas so that is the person/ incident of discussion. You yourself said if even one incident of a woman seeing a penis in a locker room is too much. That by definition would be taking one specific incident, involving one person and then generalizing it. So are you then disengenouse or sloppy?

Also I cited more than one person as I provided a link to a story about 300 plus swimmers supporting Lia Thomas.

 

they're not mocking me. but it is a "thing".

maybe I'm being ethnicitized.

 

you wrote the "women" who Lia Thomas beat.

but the story only "cited" one woman she beat.

 

Good. Now extend that to if someone deliberately doesn't call someone the pronoun of choice. Do you understand the difference?

 

OK. So, why would you make an effort to address them in the way they want to be addressed? Is it a purely transactional decision -- because you think you risk losing a relationship with them that you value -- or is it out of empathy for their feelings? I suspect it's both, right?

This gets to my point. A person who simply refuses to use someone's preferred gender pronouns, regardless of whether it makes sense to them in some objective sense, is being inconsiderate and, to my mind, kind of a jerk (I'll avoid the other term, which some find triggering I guess). Not talking about simply forgetting because one has not internalized the other person's gender identity yet. I know a few might consider that a grave offense -- I don't at all.

 

My bad. I mistyped.

I did provide another link with several swimmers. That was the post you just responded to.

 

Yeah like those people who say "Heil" when it is clearly "Hail". I mean WTF?

 

Again the issue here isn't people who are p*****s who would be nice to transgender people in person and **** talk them online because they are afraid of confrontation in real life because they are passive aggressive b****es.

The issue why are these people like ATW spamming anti-trans content hours a day for now over a year?

 

It's both (empathy and basically just no interest in antagonizing someone unnecessarily).

But "being a jerk" goes both ways - I'm basically being asked to say something that is objectively untrue, to make someone else feel better. I'll do it, but aggressively trying to mandate it and attacking and sanctioning people who don't do it - that's also being a jerk.

 

it'd be like calling someone Juan when their name is John.

 

My last name is very rare and nobody ever pronounces it correctly, certainly not in the US.

IDGAF

 

the dude was not a "her" and was not transitioning. he was just a dude who didn't want to be called "dude".

 

The fact that we're debating it shows it is anything but "objective". This more display of bias that you simply don't accept trans people for who they are.

 

Biological sex doesn't change. That's objectively so.

 

I don't disagree with your last sentence.

You say "objectively untrue" -- and I just don't quite get what you mean there. Like, respecting another person's gender identity and using their preferred name/pronouns isn't the same as saying 2+2=5 when you know it's not.

 

I'm not sure what that has to do with the post you responded too.

Based on your post though do you actually believe that people transitioning actually are changing genders?

 

your first sentence is debatable.

the second is just antagonistic bullshit.

 

Also, those posters who were saying they would make out with a male to female trans person if the boobs are done well and they are drunk or whatever. There is nothing wrong with it, but you are gay (or bi).

 

there was no-one transitioning in my post. just a dude (who turned out to be a jerk), and a woman struggling with a toddler and an infant and trying to buy her groceries and get out the door.

 

It actually does in several species but that is a tangent.

As we've discussed before "gender" is more of a cultural construct. How someone sees themselves in society and how society treats them is about gender.