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Where do you draw the line - transgender

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by droxford, Feb 7, 2023.

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We all draw the line some where. Where do you draw the line?

  1. Society should refer to transgenders using their preferred pronouns

    21 vote(s)
    26.6%
  2. Definitions ("man", "woman", "gender", & "sex") should be changed/eliminated due to transgenders

    2 vote(s)
    2.5%
  3. It should be permissible for transgenders to share restroom/locker room with their identified gender

    15 vote(s)
    19.0%
  4. Transgenders should be able to participate in athletic & other competitions based on their identity

    6 vote(s)
    7.6%
  5. Transgenders should qualify for loans, grants, scholarships, & admissions based on their identity

    8 vote(s)
    10.1%
  6. Gender-specific organizations should be required to accept transgendrs based on their gender idntity

    8 vote(s)
    10.1%
  7. Historical medical records & birth certificats should be changed to only show transgenders' indntity

    4 vote(s)
    5.1%
  8. Transgenders <16 yrs should be able to hve sex-reassignmnt surgery/pubrty blockrs w/o parent consent

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  9. The U.S. government should provide finances for sex-reassigned surgeries and puberty-blocking drugs

    5 vote(s)
    6.3%
  10. None of the above

    56 vote(s)
    70.9%
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  1. SuraGotMadHops

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  2. nolimitnp

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    I read a book by Shana Swan called "Count Down: How Our Modern World Is Altering Male and Female Reproductive Development, Threatening Sperm Counts, and Imperiling the Future of the Human Race" that really opened my eyes. She does not mention the word "transgender" once, but that's exactly what its about. Basically chemicals and contaminants are causing endocrine disruption during pregnancy leading to more masculine women and feminine men.

    In other words the rise of transgender folks makes sense from a scientific perspective.

    That said Jordan Peterson also makes a great deal of sense in that it's a social contagion. "Losers" in high school are looking for ways to feel special.

    I'm not sure where the line is. Men with a full beard wearing a damned dress I guess. That's clearly mental illness.
     
  3. nolimitnp

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    Wait what? The left? Have you ever watched a Matt Walsh video? He is absolutely OBSESSED with child genitals. He will not stop talking about it. The right has people following little boys and girls into restrooms to make sure they're using the right restroom. You follow a child into a restroom you're a sex offender.

    That's incredible to me that you're blaming the left. It's the right passing anti-trans legislation, in addition to book bans and boycotts. But yes, it's the left that's the problem. Unbelievable.
     
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    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    A guy is running a presidential campaign with this as his main platform.
     
  5. dmoneybangbang

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    Lots of subject matter experts in this thread.
     
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    The left: people should be treated with respect and equality

    The right: stop making problems
     
  7. SuraGotMadHops

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    I find it silly when people pretend like they are championing equal rights for trans people as if they do not already have equal rights. The problem is trans people are trying to get more than equal rights, they are trying to get SPECIAL rights...right to be in a women's restroom even though you have a dingaling, right to compete in women's sports when you are not a woman. This is not a fight for equality, this is a fight for unequal, special treatment. Nobody is denying trans people of equal rights, they can be trans if they want, marry who they want, buy what they want, sit where they want, live where they want.
     
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  8. dmoneybangbang

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    You are confusing transsexuals for Christians….. the real groomers.

    Arizona court upholds clergy privilege in child abuse case
    https://apnews.com/article/mormon-church-child-sex-abuse-e02ae4470a5a53cbeb9aa146ff2762ac

    Im sure Christians would never sweep child abuse and child sexual abuse under the rug with their tax free money…..

    Conservative two tiered justice system….
     
  9. tinman

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    They also want the rights of kids to go from house Stark and house Greyjoy to house Bolton
     
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  10. SuraGotMadHops

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    Sigh....I make a point and a lefty brings up something completely unrelated because they have no retort. Let me really clear here, any religious leader, Christian or otherwise, that abuses children is a sick, immoral, disgusting person that belongs in jail and far far away from children. There, no double standard here.

    Now...back to trans...they already have equal rights.
     
  11. mtbrays

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    You're correct on this one. The liberal retort of "well, priests are groomers, too" is just as disingenuous as claiming that all homosexuals and trans people are grooming children to sexually abuse them, too. While I am unfamiliar with this Arizona law, and think it might harm children at first blush, I don't know enough to cast a wide net and say that every priest in the Mormon church is a pedophile.

    You're also right that transgender people have equal protection under the 1964 Civil Rights Act as of 2020. Legally speaking, they've won on the federal level. What's debated now deals with the cultural place of transgender people, not their civil liberties.
     
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  12. dmoneybangbang

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    Sigh. Then why are conservative Christians trying to make a two tiered justice system where issues are taken care of within the churches?

    Seems relevant that conservatives are trying to get special treatment because of their religion.

    Which the religious Jim Crow crowd is trying roll back as well as gay rights. Y’all don’t care if they are adults.
     
  13. dmoneybangbang

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    He made the assertion that the transsexuals were trying to get special rights and not just social acceptance.

    So I brought up another group trying to get special rights and not just social acceptance. Sorry if a major Christian denomination is trying to carve out something for themselves. You can be sure other denominations are watching intently.
     
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    This isn't surprising.

    I have ZERO desire to live in a city or state that is ran by Muslims or extremist Christians.
     
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  15. dmoneybangbang

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    Y’all got a lot in common with the Muslims.
     
  16. SuraGotMadHops

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    The post I was responding to in that comment mentioned that the Left wants "equality" for trans people, I was addressing that point specifically.
     
  17. dmoneybangbang

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    And you made they claim they want "SPECIAL rights"....

    Likewise, I brought up an example of a group wanting "SPECIAL rights" which was more than just "equality". However, the ability to decide when to involve law enforcement seems like a different "SPECIAL right" than sports competition and bathroom privileges. This always seem to fall back to conservatives being obsessed with someone else's genitalia.

    Seems like "clergy privilege" is far more impactful, but I don't have this obsession with transsexuals.
     
  18. SuraGotMadHops

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    Ok.....if you would like to start a thread on clergy privilege, please do so. I will contribute my opinion that there should be no such thing, especially when it comes to abuses against children.

    The rest of what you are saying is just circular talk.
     
  19. Invisible Fan

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    The whole sports issue was reaffirmed under the scope of the 2021 Title IX ruling.

    Cons who are against natal males competing in womens comps should take it up with Roberts.
     
  20. dmoneybangbang

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    It's just interesting how much of a big deal sports competition and bath privileges have become for the conservative when we have much bigger issues.... These are the "SPECIAL rights" you mentioned that have your world in uproar...... the ability to compete in a sport and the ability to use a restroom.

    I keep hearing it is about the children but y'all are going after adults too.
     

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