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Where do you draw the line - transgender

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by droxford, Feb 7, 2023.

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We all draw the line some where. Where do you draw the line?

  1. Society should refer to transgenders using their preferred pronouns

    19 vote(s)
    29.7%
  2. Definitions ("man", "woman", "gender", & "sex") should be changed/eliminated due to transgenders

    2 vote(s)
    3.1%
  3. It should be permissible for transgenders to share restroom/locker room with their identified gender

    14 vote(s)
    21.9%
  4. Transgenders should be able to participate in athletic & other competitions based on their identity

    6 vote(s)
    9.4%
  5. Transgenders should qualify for loans, grants, scholarships, & admissions based on their identity

    8 vote(s)
    12.5%
  6. Gender-specific organizations should be required to accept transgendrs based on their gender idntity

    7 vote(s)
    10.9%
  7. Historical medical records & birth certificats should be changed to only show transgenders' indntity

    4 vote(s)
    6.3%
  8. Transgenders <16 yrs should be able to hve sex-reassignmnt surgery/pubrty blockrs w/o parent consent

    2 vote(s)
    3.1%
  9. The U.S. government should provide finances for sex-reassigned surgeries and puberty-blocking drugs

    4 vote(s)
    6.3%
  10. None of the above

    43 vote(s)
    67.2%
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  1. Nook

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    I believe gender dysphoria is in the DSM-5. I am sure there will be political pressure to remove it.

    However it is kind of a red herring. Not everyone that is transexual has gender dysphoria and not everyone with gender dysphoria is trans.

    Further, the DSM isn’t supposed to be used to make political points. It isn’t supposed to have a stigma because under the DSM-5 every person has some diagnosis.

    It isn’t as simple as some politicians are arguing. Further it is a soft science, the DSM adds and subtracts or reorganizes when it issues an update.

    Some Psychiatric organizations in Europe have made declarations in an effort to remove stigmas.
     
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  2. LosPollosHermanos

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    Exactly!!

    that’s what he and this other crowd don’t understand. Not every boy that says “I want to dress up in a skirt” at 7 is on track to become trans, in fact it’s normal and it’s curiousity for a lot of boys to say this and girls to say about boy things.

    Not everyone who judoka and his groupie describe has gender dysphoroa and are in a situation “where they can’t help it”
     
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    Protect girls and women from this!

    Wisconsin School Under Fire After Trans Student Exposed Genitalia 4 Freshman Girls In The Shower

    A law group is ‘demanding actions and answers’ from a Wisconsin high school after a transgender student allegedly ‘exposed their male genitalia’ to four freshmen girls in the locker room showers after a swim class.


    The Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty (WILL) claimed Sun Prairie Area School District provided an ‘inadequate response’ to the alleged incident in March.

    It said Sun Prairie East High School administrators ‘failed to comply with basic protections afforded by federal law’ following a ‘violation of girls’ locker room privacy’.


    ‘The girls were caught off guard and shocked, closed their eyes, and tried to hurry up and leave the showers as quickly as possible,’ the complaint said.

    It is the latest row to break out over the use of high school bathrooms and locker rooms by transgender students, following incidents in Florida, Iowa, and Ontario, Canada.


    In a letter sent to parents on Friday, seen by DailyMail.com, the high school said ‘the District had previously addressed this incident when it was brought to our attention’.

    The complaint claims that on March 3, ‘four freshman girls participated in a swim unit as part of their first-hour physical-education class. After the lesson, the girls entered the women’s ’ athletic locker room to shower and change for class.’


    As they began to shower in their swimsuits, an 18-year-old student, who ‘identifies as transgender’ entered the shower and said ‘I’m trans, by the way’.

    The student then allegedly undressed and ‘exposed male genitalia to the four girls in the shower.’ Speaking to Wisconsin Right Now, Deputy Counsel Dan Lennington said that the girls were 14 years old.


    ‘These are 14 year old girls, this is an 18 year old male. We have multiple sources saying this male is 18. The school district has not denied he was 18 when this happened’.

    The law group claims that following reports to administration and communications from parents, school district administrators ‘failed to comply with basic protections afforded by federal law’.


    It wrote: ‘Under federal law, the incident should have been reported to the Title IX coordinator, who should have then contacted the girls, offered supportive measures, and provided them an opportunity to file a complaint.’

    Title IX is a federal civil rights law that prohibits sex-based discrimination in any school or any other education program.


    According to the complaint, the school principal Renee Colman apologized via email on April 10 to a parent ‘for the incident that occurred’ and reiterated that the situation the girls experienced ‘should not have happened’.

    It claims Colman wrote that ‘we will continue to work to ensure no one has a similar experience’. It also alleges the principal emailed one parent a copy of a ‘Restroom and Locker Room Accessibility Guidance’.

    This guidance states: ‘A student who is transgender, nonbinary, or gender expansive will be permitted to access the men’s/women’s segregated restrooms in accordance with the student’s gender identity that the student regularly asserts at school and in other social environments.’

    It adds: ‘If a transgender student makes any request regarding the use of locker rooms or any similar type of changing area, the request shall be assessed on a case-by-case basis with the goals of: (a) facilitating the transgender student’s access to the District’s physical education curriculum and other relevant programs; (b) ensuring adequate student privacy and safety; and (c) minimizing stigmatization of the transgender student.’

    The alleged incident is the latest in a string of rows over the use of locker rooms by transgender students across various states.

    In October last year, a Vermont school was forced to investigate after members of a girls volleyball team alleged they had been banned from using their own locker room and had to change in a single bathroom stall after they complained about a transgender teammate.

    Some members claimed that the transgender player at Randolph Union High School made an ‘inappropriate remark’ while they were changing in the locker room.

     
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    apparently you can identify your queens as kings
     
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    I just curiously sit here and watch y’all debate this. It is interesting.

    Maybe bathrooms/locker rooms need not be defined as what gender you are but what junk you have?
     
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    Breh is proving that the whole ‘identity’ trend is fake
    @AroundTheWorld
     
  8. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    A. He's not transgender
    B. Florida laws are that you can't discriminate on sex for a card game. Any man can join a ladies event.
    C. It was a $250 tourney - the bounty on him was nearly 10x that.
     
  9. Astrodome

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    100% correct Lou
     
  10. LosPollosHermanos

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    Yes Lou is 1.00% correct
     
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    Hard to believe people can be so petty... the Montana legislator who was censured for supporting protestors in the building was forced out of the building for the session, so she sat on a bench in a public area with her laptop to do her job (making votes, talking to other legislators as they passed by). So the speaker of the house had his mom and her friends sit on the bench to prevent the legislator to do so.

     
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    I missed this earlier but good to note how much Iive in your head.

    Again a mischaracterzation of a position I specfically stated. I've said that I only would allow gender transitioning treatments only after counseling and therapy. So no not every case of "cross dressing" is gender dysphoria and as have been noted several times "Drag" is not the same as "trans".
     
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    I'm posting this here rather than starting a new thread or feeding a new spin off thread.



    I still feel it's a bad idea to be open carrying and especially open carrying at a protests. Based on just rhetoric we see here on Clutchfans I can understand why though trans and activist would feel the need to do so. Also to note TX law specifically allows this. It should be up to LEO though to make sure events like this are peaceful and those who support it and oppose it are free to exercise their rights without fear or intimidation.

    This piece though is also interesting as the drag queen specifically answers many of the criticisms brought up and notes how they tone down performances based upon audience. Also commentary from a parent that brought their children to this event.
    It looks like the video can't be shared, which is odd considering it's a news story from US News.
    Here is a story about the event from another source
    https://www.axios.com/local/dallas/2022/08/30/drag-brunch-roanoke-draws-armed-clash
    And the link to the video
    youtube.com/watch?v=VwCJXwIvhCI&list=LL&index=2
     
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    I think this actually shows the psychopathic nature in you and the people who express these sentiments.

    The notion that there will be enough people that exist that want to change genders and upend their entire life to win some swim meet shows a lack of the most basic fundamental empathy skills.

    Like you know these sentiments scare normal humans because it shows how far removed you are from basic feelings of emapthy.
     
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