The majority of recreational drugs aren’t even this detrimental. Imagine being called a bigot for opposing this in children (I will not speak about consenting adults, like smoking it’s their call) these are all extremel reputable journals with large sample sizes on pubmed https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8907681/ pretty comprehensive review going through every risk factor and here about ischemic heart disease, heart attacks) by the AHA https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/HYPERTENSIONAHA.119.13080 Breast cancer https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l1652
Look up the actual suicide numbers, the data is kept. Does that include a group of people that live underground and in sex trafficking? There is no way to know that - which is why the claim that transgendered youth have the highest rate of suicide was not based on actual information. It was just thrown out there and accepted - and there is nothing hard to base it… yet you now are attempting to go out of your way to defend something that isn’t factually based because it fits the side of the narrative you support rather than looking at it objectively. As far as sex slavery, I wouldn’t at all be surprised if transgendered women have a high rate of being involved in sex slavery or prostitution but again we have very little actual numbers to back that up at this point. Claiming or saying something similar to “It’s believed transgendered women are more susceptible to sex slavery” is perfectly fine - and is different than claiming it is the most or proven to be true, etc. I support transgendered rights - I financially support efforts to stop DeSantis and others. However, I am appalled at the tact taken by some on both sides of the issue and the inaccuracies both are citing and then defending because they want them to be true. Some of it makes zero sense to me - it’s short sighted. For example some advocates love to claim that transgenderism is a result of some sort of chemical abnormality or misfire in the human body. They support this narrative because they believe it will prove that transgenderism is real (the idea that it isn’t real is absurd- but Republicans often are absurd); but these same advocates don’t consider that if it is a chemical abnormality, it can be treated and eradicated - which is a FAR bigger ethical quagmire. Some conservatives are obsessed with having transgenderism defined as a mental illness; yet fail to realize that opens up treatment through insurance and some governmental protections of trans people that would upset these same conservatives. This is a new frontier when it comes to actual science and studies. What we have is VERY limited and I have in the past told conservatives the same thing when they have tried to rely on junk science or BS studies…
Yes- and I am not saying consenting adults should not be able to make the decision to use these drugs. It is all a balancing test and in society we let people do dangerous things in many cases. However, when it comes to children, advocates for transgendered hormone therapy never discuss this and claim that they can simple get off hormone treatment and it isn’t that simple, there are long term consequences to puberty blockers, hormones, etc. We don’t have enough research or a large enough study sample to know. Perhaps we find out that the suicide rate or dissatisfaction rate is so high that it is worth letting children have these treatments. Perhaps we find that the percentage that regret it is so negligible that it is worth it - but we don’t know now.
Conservatives always want to solve mass shooting with thoughts and prayer and do jack sht, why not apply that strategy to the other issues that trigger them. Just thought and prayers for abortion and Trans folks and b on your merry way
So people that oppose detrimental treatment for children are conservatives and support no gun control. Nice straw man again. Disgusting I’m pro gun control, pro choice, and pro safety for children
Trans people have existed for a long time and have been going to the bathroom and getting changed where most appropriate largely without incident... and then suddenly this all got put into the legal and political arena in the last 10 years and it's been a disaster for everyone. Conservatives have whipped themselves into a frenzy over things that either A) don't concern them personally or B) don't actually exist but for some insanely rare edge cases, liberals are reflexively twisting themselves in knots to defend or justify what is sometimes nonsense, and I'd argue most trans people are just ****ing tired of all of this unnecessary and negative attention that really doesn't concern 99% of them who just want to be left alone to pursue their happiness as they see fit. There's a handful of protections and rights that do need to be provided by the government around this issue, but largely it feels like this all goes better when we mind our own business and handle it as individuals.
I did go through the studies, some of them have sample sizes of 100+ in the test group - and the results are statistically significant. Some of them have smaller but are still significant. Still you can't dismiss ALL of them as some of them are definitely large enough experiment groups. So again, I don't get why you are making these claims as it just seems wrong. Plus one side is showing legit studies being published in respected journals, another puts together a more politically motivated study that clearly isn't legit, and that's enough to say "both sides" are using questionable studies / data??
There are so many posts since I laste d posted here I haven’t had a chance to read thorugh most of them but just responding to this posts. You bring this up in get there isn’t good data and yes I would agree with you there isn’t good data. Part of this is due to that there really aren’t that many trans people and just glancing over some recent posts the figure I brought up 0.6% if the US population is supported by multiple sources. That said we know it’s a fact that trans people are openly despised by many elected leaders and called things like “imps” and “non humans” Publicly. We see even here on these threads where they are called “freaks” and a threat to traditional norms. That so many people are so open about ostracizing trans people is strong support for why many who feel they are misgendered might want to hide their identities and not cooperate with people collecting data about themselves. Most of the data is self reported is because those are the ones who feel comfortable or brave enough to actually report. Further the open stigma that we see towards trans individuals would support that they would feel hated by the wider public and likely be more suicidal. Again we even saw this play out here in Clutchfans. It seems an odd argument to claim that trans people actually don’t feel oppressed and down on themselves when so many are openly criticizing them.
To add to my previous post this same pattern played out with homosexuals. There wasn’t a lot of data about homosexuals until about 50 years ago because many didn’t want to cooperate with researchers out of fear.
Yes, the .6% is good data, it is just dated data. There is more recent data that has the number higher, especially for those younger (I believe under 30?). Obviously I agree with you that there are not a lot of good studies, and I agree with you that at least some of it is because we are talking about a relatively small percentage of the population (somewhere between .6% and 5% of the population) and we also are talking about an area that wasn't typically a priority until recently. Yes, transgendered people are a target for scorn and hate - there is no question about that. That is also why there is a lot of question about what the actual % is, it has gone up in more recent polling and the question is whether this is because people are more comfortable being open about it or there is more education on the topic - its speculation. As for self-reporting, it doesn't matter why - the point is that it makes definitive statements dubious as self reporting is known to be very unreliable and flawed. Who said that trans people don't feel oppressed or down on themselves? I certainly never made that claim. We know that transpeople in general have a higher suicide rate than cis-gendered people. The problem is when people are zealous about their position and use known inaccurate information and it becomes accepted - i.e. the claim that transgendered children have the highest suicide rate. We don't know that, and to make that claim without a basis only undermines someone's position.
Correct - and if someone 50 years made unverified claims and rely upon questionable stats I would point it out. Lying or being deceptive doesn't help one's positions.
I don't think so. I could be wrong but I believe he just doesn't support minors being on hormones or having gender reassignment surgery. The hormones have long term health effects and the re-assignment surgery is very invasive.
Birth control is hormones… But that’s okay? It’s just interesting how many conservative leaning people want to dictate how other families deal with psychological and physiological issues. Parents making decisions for their under age children seems like a matter of convenience. They want to have it both ways… they get to make decisions for their own children and other families. Seems like the parents are the ones who have the most information regarding what’s best for their own children. And what about the gays? How does that fit into “child safety”? I guess the gays are automatically diddlers…
Convenience? Try principle. The idea of the state sanctioning a minor undergoing a major medical procedure without their parent's consent or even knowledge is insanity.
