my 2 cents : the obvious \\ false self perception is often deemed " mental health issue" , to me its very similar to anorexia, if it was the case , I respect her choice the same way I respect Lisa, I will call her fat, I think she should try keto diet bc Im cool ,progressive and open minded unlike besso
What if dignity can't afford being afforded by society? Is it really even dignity ("the state or quality of worth") if it needs to be afforded by anything other than our own relationship with ourselves? In turn, is love something we are truly capable of giving if we don't deem ourselves worthy of receiving it? I would posit validation, dignity, integrity, worth, and self awareness are things we have to give ourselves. Maybe it's the name of the game, and expecting others to do it for us is a trap - comfortable by design.
If gender is a construct and not biological, then of course we can change it. I'm interested in the possibility that identifying with it could be missing out on more. I have suffered extremely deep depression. When I identified with those feelings, I spent my life trying to end my life. It was only when I stopped trying to change my feelings and instead stopped identifying with them that I was free of them, and started living. In the prison of misery, the warden is an inmate.
I disagree, and find you intelligent as well as passionate. I was replying to the idea that dignity is something that society can afford to us. 'Self worth' is redundant - the only thing of worth is that which you give yourself. Please let me know if I'm still not communicating well.
Okay. So you are essentially saying why should a trans person care about how others perceive them and provide themselves with their own self-worth. But how does that apply when the people who aren't giving you dignity are like your parents and they like disown you for who you say you are? Is that something that most young people handle well?
Of course that sucks ass, and as decent people we try our best to provide love and support to those going through such senseless hate. However, as with all adversity (ie 'second force'), there is presented to us a choice of perception - the only one we really have. Will we allow someone else to define us as victims, or will we seize the opportunity to take the wheel of our own identity and write the story of what we are ourselves? Will we fight hatred with love and forgiveness by seeing that their bigotry has nothing to do with us, but is rather a projection of that person's low self worth? In order for to be reborn immaculate, Of course, Our pair of quasars must collide providing Second Force. A hole appearing black, A cosmic almanac, A light to guide our way back to The Source.
This is the crux of the issue. Gender dysphoria has created a breakdown in the definition of 'gender' and 'biological sex'. Personally I do not think there is much to debate on the definition of 'biological sex' and there is certainly a subset of the population who fall outside of this definition (hermaphrodites). However it is unacceptable to convolute the definition in which it creates contrary results to the definition. Discussions such as this should be very clear on which definition is being used; Gender or biological sex. Many of these posters are mixing the two, such as respecting and acknowledging which pronouns a person wishes to be referred as (GENDER) vs a transgender participating in sports or presence in (nude) bathing rooms (BIOLOGICAL SEX). One person here asked what one would do if someone very close and important to them started to experience gender dysphoria. I would highly recommend they seek therapy, not because I think something is wrong with them, but because their risk of suicide is exponentially higher. Further there are those who believe they are somehow experts on this subject because they know people with gender dysphoria. People who STRUGGLE (not necessarily experience) with gender dysphoria should seek professional help. And fragile masculinity is a form of gender dysphoria.
Care to expound on this? Seems way off to me on its surface. Fragile masculinity is pretty ubiquitous, and is seemingly often tied to inferiority, impotence, insecurity, and low self worth more than any sort of gender dysphoria.
There's "gender" and "biological sex", which are different and shouldn't be conflated when trying to have a clear discussion on transgender issues. Then there's "gender identity", which, like "sexual orientation", describes a particular psychological disposition. As with sexual orientation, there is some disagreement to what extent gender identity is formed "naturally" at an early stage of development rather than through environmental social conditioning. "Gender" refers to roles which define how people interact or are expected to interact in a social setting. Some societies are highly genderized, meaning there are discrete gender roles with strict rules on how one is to behave in all social interactions. In other societies, these rules are limited to specific areas. Such as usage of public bathrooms, or participation in sporting events, or eligibility for certain awards. Some maintain there should be a fixed one-to-one mapping between biological sex (i.e., determined by one's sex chromosomes) and gender. But in many cultures there have historically been third genders, and in modern times we talk about gender being "fluid" or on a "spectrum". I think what you're really suggesting is that a person's "gender", when it comes to bathrooms or sports or perhaps any other interaction of consequence in which there are gender-based rules, should be defined according to their "biological sex". Whereas in other contexts where the stakes are low and others wouldn't be affected (such as the pronoun we use when referring to them), it may be defined according to their "gender identity" if they choose to state it. An alternative view is that "gender identity" is paramount in determining a person's gender in any social interaction unless there are very good reasons to instead base it on their "biological sex" -- for instance, a person who has a female "gender identity" but has not undergone a physical transition away from their male form may not be eligible to participate in women sports or use a private space reserved for women.
Good point. It has to be both. Self-agency can't be forced down by governments or society, but it can be encouraged and fostered. It's a uniquely qualitative trait thay can't be fully addressed with top down solutions. What I primarily argue for or consider are conditions concerning legality or liability. It's the language we consider during this "social transitioning" process which impacts areas such as bathrooms, sports eligibility, and workplace discrimination. It's by no means perfect, nor set in stone, but no amount of self confidence nor self worth will be unaffected if a trans person is discriminately fired or faces heavy debt from the lakck of coverage. A trans person "bold enough" to venture into opposite sex bathrooms despite not looking the mold potentially will face heavy discrimination at one point or a other. For the case of women's changing rooms, that has to be balanced with the worries or anxieties by biological females of having a biological sexually fluid male among them. It's not a simple answer. In a limitless world, we could designate more genders and prop up specialized changing rooms or new competitive sports leagues, but we don't have the will or resources to accommodate evenly or equitably. We have to figure it out on the fly and with plenty of things out of place. In the meanwhile, trans people will feel out of place with their society and their identity. People generally take 30 years to figure themselves out, but having gender disphoria on the list seems like a strong ingredient for insanity to me, You likely can't rely on your parents for experiential guidance, your family might expect you to be/act differently than how you really think, and your peers are generally nasty to people who stick out. It's easier to drop out HS or not attend college. Maybe you don't have the support or financial resources to take the next steps in gender therapy. Every day that passes is a reminder of you believing one thing while society expects another. It takes a lot of grit and fortitude to tough out all of that, but if we emphasize that, then are we partially responsible for those who don't make it? Dignity being afforded by society might be an ideal, but it also reflects where we are as a culture and serves as a gauge for how we treat each other individually.
I said "some". No, not ALL of them to pretend to have periods.... but all of them (the "trans-women") pretend to be women. They're men pretending to be women.
I see this argument frequently in support of trans-gender people. Although I don't like either scenario, if I had to choose between two the extreme scenarios of "an increase of people are committing suicide because of their transgenderism" or "an increase of kids are being sexually assaulted by trans people in women restrooms".....I'd choose the former. This does NOT mean that I believe all trans people are sexual predators. I'm just saying that the "transgendere suicide" argument doesn't sway me.
If you had to take a wild guess, what do you think the ratio of ""transgendere suicide"" to "kids... being sexually assaulted by trans people in women restrooms" is? Logical Fallacy: False Choice
In the history of mankind how many incidents of transexual people sexually assaulting children in locker rooms and restrooms?
