Robert Horry says .....Did you see Juwon lay bricks after bricks late in the game against the lakers? The man just cannot handle pressure. He looked like he was in the pressure cooker with a Parka, gloves and hats on with the basketball getting stuffed down his throat!
AMEN! What really is obviously is when Juwan misses, you can tell he's hurrying his already ugly short armed shot. Its freaking terrible! Horry in the 4th quarter, his jumper becomes pure and is all net. Dont EVER compare Robert Horry to Juwan, its not even close.
How dare you call Horry a scrub? he had put great defense on: Karl Malone Rasheed Wallace Tim Duncan Horrace Grant Charles Barkley Sean Elliot etc etc A scrub doesn't make critical blocks, steals, jumpers, dunks, in playoff games. is this a scrub's resume? # The only active player to have won six NBA Championships # A member of the 2000, 2001, and 2002 Laker championship teams # A member of the 1994 and 1995 back-to-back NBA champion Houston Rockets # Leads all active players with six NBA titles # One of just 12 players in NBA history with six or more NBA championships # Just the second player in NBA history to win a title with three different teams # Has appeared in the playoffs all 13 NBA seasons and has never been knocked out in the first round # Ranks third in NBA playoff history in games and ranks second in three-pointers made # Leads all active players in career postseason games (198), three-pointers made (237) and steals (255) # Ranks in the top 10 active playoff leaders in points (sixth with 1,784), rebounds (third with 1,211), assists (fourth with 527), blocks (sixth with 187) and minutes (second with 6,084) # Holds the NBA playoff record for the most 3PT-FG made without a miss connecting on 7-of-7 from downtown at Utah on 5/6/97 # Is the Finals all-time leader in three-pointers made (53) and attempted (135 ) # Holds the record for the most minutes played in a four-game Finals series (187 in 1995) # Set a Finals record for the highest 3PT-FG percentage in a seven-game series with a .484 (15-31) mark in 2005 # Shares - with Penny Hardaway - the Finals record for the most threes made in a four-game Finals series (11 in 1995) # Set the NBA Finals record for the most steals in a single game recording 7 at Orlando on 6/9/95 # Holds the Rockets franchise record for most 3PT-FG made in a game hitting 9-of-12 at Cleveland on 2/22/96
Pretty accurate observation I must say. Howard kept the Lakers in it and needed T-Mac to bail him out.
maybe, maybe not, but would you want JHo out on the floor in the late minutes of a close game? I'd sure hope not.
I wouldn't want Stro either. Night in, night out, JH is more consistent. Stro is like a yoyo. 20 mins, 4pts, 0 rebs. That's what I call M.I.A. JH was decent last night but he missed a couple of clutch jumpers. At least he showed up to play. The PF position is Stro's job for the taking but he just refuses to take it. It's hard to believe he's had 5 years in the league already. Looks like he's going to get some serious playing time the next few games. It could be a turning point, hopefully for the better.
Why all the hate for a current Rocket? Are they not above criticism like the ex-Rockets (even though you did call an ex-Rocket a rat in another thread)?
Dude, you are derailing my point w/ the Horry conversation. My point was the Dream won in 95 w/out a dominate PF. AT THE TIME, Horry was a scrub. We won that year because Dream was the best player on the planet. The Rockets won last night because TMac was the best player on the court. And we had JHow out there missing open shots...and we still won. That's my point. Great players find ways to win games. We wouldn't win games even if we had Horry on this team unless TMac/Yao are playing like Shaq/Kobe. I didn't say Horry IS a scrub. Reading comprehension helps sometimes. In the context of our conversation that you don't need a dominate PF to suceed in the NBA, I said in 1995 Robert Horry WAS a scrub. Not disagreeing. I was simply saying that Dream wao the champsionship in 1995 with a scrub PF like Horry. You could have put Howard on that team and Dream was THAT good. And we won't win until TMac and Yao ARE that good. Period. Juwan's presense on this team is virtually irrelevant. Howard is good enough to hold down the fort. When TMac/Yao raises their game to the next level, and ONLY then, is when the Rockets will become contenders. Yes, it would be nice if we could upgrade Juwan Howard. Agreed. The 95 Rockets said it would be nice to upgrade Kenny Smith. The Bulls said it would be nice to upgrade Bill Wennington. The Lakers said it would be nice to upgrade Derek Fisher. on and on. But good teams maximize what they got. The thing that seperates champsion teams is the star. The role players just need to be decent. You may not agree w/ that but history speaks for itself. Besides Detroit, the last umpteen championship teams won because they had the best player(s) in the league that season.
Once again you demonstrate your imited basketball IQ as already mentioned by other posters in this thread. You need to go back and watch the tapes. You, my friend, are entering the hall of shame for scrub posters!
Krosfyah's scrub PF In 1995 playoffs, in Game 2, against the Utah Jazz in the first round, drained multiple 3s on the Jazz in front of the Jazz fans. FInal score Rockets 140 - Jazz who cares, they lost! Krosfyah's scrub PF In 1995 playoffs, in Game 2, against the Utah Jazz in the first round, threw a facial not once but TWICE on Karl Malone. Bonus Points! Krosfyah's scrub PF In 1995 playoffs, in Game 5, against the Utah Jazz in the first round, hit a clutch 3 in second half as they were making a comeback. Krosfyah's scrub PF In 1995 playoffs, in Game 5, against the Phoenix Suns in the second round, converted a crucial 3 point play to help the Rockets stave off elimination. Krosfyah's scrub PF In 1995 playoffs, in Game 6, against the Phoenix Suns in the second round, continued with his defensive ssginment of helping out on Barkley as well as good team defense, while draining 3s. Krosfyah's scrub PF In 1995 playoffs, in Game 7, against the Phoenix Suns in the second round, made even more clutch 3s in front of Suns fans, and then made the famous cross court pass to Mario Elie for the "kiss of death." Krosfyah's scrub PF In 1995 playoffs, in Game 1, against the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals, calmly drained a clutch shot to end the game. He could have drained the 3 but he was like...Damn! I will drain plenty of those in the future games. Let me throw in a variation there! Krosfyah's scrub PF In 1995 playoffs, in Game 2, against the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals, started to make Rodman pay by draining 3s. Rodman had to cover the perimeter was the clown was too busy trying to get the rebounds. On the other end, Horry mixed it up with Rodman and continued his help defense role. Krosfyah's scrub PF In 1995 playoffs, in Game 5 and 6, against the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals, continued his 3 point shooting barrage. By now the Spurs had no answer for Horry. He was making crisp entry passes to Hakeem and Drexler in the post and making them pay for double teaming by 3 pointers. Horry had neutralized Rodman and when all was said and done, the rebounding machine and the PF who had won Defensive player of the year award was left exposed by Robert friggin Horry! Krosfyah's scrub PF In 1995 playoffs, in Game 1, against the Orlando Magic in the NBA Finals, decided to drain multiple 3s. He was one of the reasons Rockets made a comeback along with other Kenny Smith, and others. In the overtime, he hit two 3s back to back. The second one, it seemed, he chucked it up without any hestitation, and without any conscience. The man was all dagger in overtime! Krosfyah's scrub PF In 1995 playoffs, in Game 2, against the Orlando Magic in the NBA Finals, probably had his best ALL around playoff game to date. He was raining 3s, he was shutting down Orlando's 3 point shooters. Anytime they would get a wide open look, it seemed Horry would fly out of nowhere to shadow them. He was running and converting fast break layups on one end and blocking them on the other. He had few blocked shots and one of them was a highlight material coming in 4th quarter. Shaq passes to Grant and what seems like a sure layup is rejected by Horry from behind. Horry makes Grant eat all ball! Krosfyah's scrub PF In 1995 playoffs, in Game 3, against the Orlando Magic in the NBA Finals, continued his stellar performance. Hit several key baskets in 3rd and 4th quarter, the biggest one coming with few seconds left to get the Rockets up and out of reach of Magic. Clutch, total clutch! Krosfyah's scrub PF In 1995 playoffs, in Game 4, against the Orlando Magic in the NBA Finals, rains 3s once again. Him and Hakeem were the 2 main reasons to slow down Magic's offense. He was also the main reason to give Houston the advantage at PF by outplaying Horace Grant. And he kept hitting 3s. Robert Horry in 1995 was NOT a scrub. Hakeem acknowledged after the finals how well Horry had performed. In fact, when Robert Horry teased Hakeem about the Finals MVP trophy, Hakeem told him in his face, "YOU DESERVE IT!" You dont commend a scrub like that! Especially not after winning a championship. Horry was the 3rd best player on that team behind Dream and Glyde in that playoff run and he was damn good at that too. A role player who was GODDDAMN CLUTCH! I WILL TAKE THIS MAN, ROBERT HORRY, ON THE CURRENT ROCKETS TEAM ANYDAY!!! They will go far in th eplayoffs if they have Robert Horry. Unfortunately we cant even get his underwear for Juwon Howard in a trade. Juwon can only dream to do even one those things Horry did. Dont ever disrespect a legend in Houston's playoff history like that.
Zboy, your point is made. Comparing JH right now to Horry during our championship years was dumb. All but one of us agee to that. No need to nuke a mosquito.
You are missing the point ...yet again. The Rockets won in '95 because we had the team w/ the best player. Horry's career: 8ppg and 5rpg And in the playoffs he stepped it up to 9/6. On the surface, those are scrub #'s from a starting PF. Horry was a big game player...that's it. I love the guy but he basically just eats a roster spot until the last 4 minutes of a playoff game. That being said, I'd ALWAYS burn a roster spot for Horry. Again, the Horry conversation is derailing the actual point. The current Rockets CAN win a championship, with Howard, if TMac and Yao step up their game. That's ALL I'm saying. Look at the Laker game last night. Juwan was missing open shots but TMac found a way to win. CASE IN POINT. 'nuff said. btw, please stop w/ the insults. We are talking about basketball here. No need to get personal. We are entitled to our own opinions. Calm down, pls. For the record, even though Juwan was missing shots last night, he still bettered Horry's career averages. ...and the Rockets won. Call him a scrub all you want, I'll take that result.
umm. We we because we had the BEST PLAYERS Hakeem had plenty of years without a championship. He DID NOT win a championship with Sleepy Floyd, or Buck Johnson etc. Its about TEAM. Even Dream said it in his MVP speech. "BUSKUTBULL IS A TEAM SPORT, I WOULD LUK TO TANK MY TEAMMATES FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS" The point is Sean Elliot would have not hit all those critical shots or grabs those critical rebounds or critical steals. Why do you think I'm a crusade to destroy the tryanny of fans who disrespect Horry or Cassell or anyone on the championship teams. claiming that it was a one man crew. I have to pound it into people's head that we would have NOT won it without the great teammates of Dream. Kenny Smith is not a scrub. Vernon Maxwell is not a scrub. Otis Thorpe is not a scrub. Mario Elie is not a scrub. Clyde Drexler is not a scrub. Sam Cassell is not a scrub. Carl Herrera is not a scrub. Hakeem would have won.. ZERO championships. He would be Karl Malone without these guys. They are CHAMPIONS. Not Scrubs. When Sam takes another team from a perrenial losing record or 1st round exit (Twolves) to something higher, it says he is living the legacy of that Rockets team and that he can go toe to toe with any PG in HISTORY. When Horry hits a 3 in Divac or Rasheed or Sean Elliot's face, its says that he's big money. does 6 rings mean anything? Was it so obvious that if Horry didn't save the Spurs in game 5 that Detroit would have 2 championships? the Kings would have an NBA championship if Horry didnt hit that 3.. etc you understand me now? you understand that: NEVER UNDERSTIMATE THE HEART OF A CHAMPION.. EVER!!! as long as im alive and clutchfans is here, I will NEVER LET ANYONE CALL ANY ROCKET CHAMPION A SCRUB.
Calm down. I'm not disrespecting them. Geez, you guys are so sensitive. This conversation about Howard ...not Horry. Quit getting distracted. IF Juwan Howard IS a scrub ...then by THAT definition, Horry is a scrub too. The ONLY difference is Horry had the benefit of playing along side the MVP that season...Hakeem. IIRC, Juwan Howard has never had the opportunity to play with an MVP. Juwan is a legitimate NBA player ...as is Robert Horry. We can win with Juwan if TMac takes the next step and goes from a top 5 talent to the 'best player in basketball'. Lets put it another way, TMac/Yao maturing is our BEST chance to win a champsionship because it seems very possible they will mature. IMO, you are chasing a pipe dream if you are resting all your hopes of getting a significant upgrade at the PF spot. And even if we do so, without having TMac playing his best ball, an upgraded PF likely still won't net us a champsionship.
what kind of ron artest logic is that? Juwan is a scrub has nothing to do with Robert Horry winning his 6 championships. Juwan has proven he can score 17 pts with teams that stink. He has proven that he's a dependable 1st thru 3rd quarter scorer. he's not a good defender, he's slow. he's an ok rebound. Horry is a playoff specialist. He is the best role player of all time. he is a talented defender, he can defend Centers, PFs, and SFs. He can block shots, steals.. Juwan is a better rebounder but not by much. You end the 'srub' term by what they have done. Horry has done it. Juwan hasn't. Juwan doesnt know sometimes when NOT to SHOOT the ball. Horry knows when to give it up to Kobe, Shaq, Dream, or Duncan AND he knows when its "HORRY TIME". Horry is not a scrub. if you keep mentioning that Horry and scrub. I will keep mentioning that he's not. its a heart of a champion. Plus I HATE Juwan's short arming of his shots.
Juwan is NOT suppose to shoot poorly based on salary. Juwan was paid to win championships. Look at how much Horry got paid and how much he produced. What a bargain. Juwan set the standards for overpaid players in this lifetime. Salaries Ryan Bowen 2000 $301,875 2001 $510,000 2002 $630,850 2003 $1,111,111 2004 $1,250,000 2005 $807,046 Juwan Howard 1995 $1,309,000 1996 $1,702,000 1997 $9,750,000 1998 $11,250,000 1999 $13,125,000 2000 $15,000,000 2001 $16,875,000 2002 $18,750,000 2003 $20,152,000 2004 $4,917,000 2005 $5,408,700 Robert Horry 1993 $997,000 1994 $1,200,000 1995 $1,499,000 1996 $1,601,000 1997 $1,703,000 1998 $6,000,000 1999 $5,000,000 2000 $4,800,000 2001 $4,800,000 2002 $5,300,000 2003 $5,300,000 2004 $4,917,000 2005 $1,100,000
I agree Juwan never produced up his contract amount. But what's that got to do with beans? We are talking about whether the Rockets can win a champsionship with Juwan on the team. Contract #'s are irrelevant to championships. Pro sports is full of stories of overpaid and underpaid players. That's only an indication of how good their agent is and current market conditions. It reflects less on the player. Quit hating on Juwan cause of the contract. Get over it. It's spilled milk. THE BIGGEST FACTOR to the Rockets winning a championship is if TMac turns into the best player on the planet. Zboy says THE BIGGEST FACTOR to the Rockets NOT winning a championship will be because Juwan Howard is on this team. That is just plain silly. Would I like to upgrade Juwan? Yes. Can we win with Juwan on the team? Yes.
