Not justification, but just saying that a majority agree with the President. You are making a massive generalization when you say that 50% of the people think Saddam was involved, where did you get your info...a poll? DD
We have been overwhelmed with all the back and forth opinions, but without a doubt there is a shift of opinion towards finding the reasons the intelligence reports were so poor and was there outright lying by the administration. Soon you should see more prominent war supporters distancing themselves from the administration if no WMD are found.
Yep, a march 16 poll, CNN, 51%. I remember watching a "what does middle america think about the war" story a few weeks before it started. They interviewed a bunch of people from Iowa, or something, and this lady said something like: "Well, they have to or else they're going to come here, I don't want to have to go around wearing a veil all the time" Man, some people need to turn off American Idol and read a book or a newspaper sometime.
Sam, I would wager that a fair amount of the people in Iraq were misled about our intentions too. Being stupid or ill informed is a world wide phenomenon. Heck, it happens on this BBS daily. DD
Whats up with all the jokes and happy faces? Your MadMax get angry, charge into the stands beat-up a fan or something. Your having way to much fun, is your game slipp'n' kid, lost a step or two? -----> Get your game face on dawg...
if you knew how different i am from mad max personally, you'd laugh. i love pressure...i love to work under pressure...i love my job, for that reason...love to be the one who ultimately has to close a case.. that's why i love cornerbacks...i love relief pitchers...and i love clutch shooters like max who found the ball in their hands when it mattered most. i love that stuff!! but the few here who've met me personally would probably say i have zero in common with some of my favorite all-time athletes like cris dishman and vernon maxwell. i had a jersey for both, though.
You're probably right, how could such a thing happen in a country with a Ministry of Information? scandalous!
Why? The Gallup poll I recently posted indicates that as time passes fewer people seem to care about the WMD issue, yet more believe that the war was justified anyway.
Covert Unit Hunted for Iraqi Arms: Amid Raids and Rescue, Task Force 20 Failed To Pinpoint Weapons Excerpts… “A covert Army Special Forces unit, operating in Iraq since before the war began in March, has played a dominant but ultimately unsuccessful role in the Bush administration's stymied hunt for weapons of mass destruction, according to military and intelligence sources in Baghdad and Washington.” -------------------------------------------------------------------- “Task Force 20's principal assignment is to "seize, destroy, render safe, capture, or recover weapons of mass destruction," according to a Special Operations mission statement. To that end it staged raids ahead of the U.S. and British ground advance to seize suspected caches of nonconventional arms, gathered hundreds of weapons samples and captured as many as half of the "high value" weapons scientists and Baath Party leaders now in U.S. custody. Its role in the search for illicit arms, military and intelligence sources said, turned out to be far more important than that of the search teams operating in the open. Yet Task Force 20 has come no closer than its widely publicized counterpart, the 75th Exploitation Task Force, to the Bush administration's declared objective. Sources with firsthand knowledge of its mission and personnel, and others with access to its reports, said the team has found no working nonconventional munitions, long-range missiles or missile parts, bulk stores of chemical or biological warfare agents or enrichment technology for the core of a nuclear weapon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Until very recently, the principal focus of the U.S. Central Command, which directs the search for illegal weapons, was a methodical survey of the 87 top-priority facilities identified in the "integrated master site list" maintained at the Defense Intelligence Agency. More than 900 specialists and tens of millions of dollars of detection and laboratory equipment were devoted to the survey, and its leaders said publicly that they expected to find large caches of chemical and perhaps other weapons at the sites. That effort, a high-ranking national security official said Wednesday, was "a waste of time." The Defense Department's new public emphasis is on "people, not buildings," as one officer put it. Some officials said previously that Iraqis would have to lead the United States to the concealed weapons. But it is now clear, from an examination of Task Force 20's work, that the Defense Department and intelligence agencies have already put that strategy to the test for 100 days. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52505-2003Jun12.html?nav=hptop_tb
The Defense Department's new public emphasis is on "people, not buildings," NO wmd, but I guess the reasoning is that the Iraqis are people so they could eventually replace the wmd that we previously sold them. Still shocked that they haven't planted any yet. I guess after all the other faked and exagerated claims they are a little "gun" shy when it comes to faking. Maybe the intelligence services have told them that they won't be fall guys anymore and might blow the whistle on them this time. Maybe they can find a model drone or some canvas sided "bio weapons labs" or perhaps some containers that could hold chemicals or something. I still expect a vial or two to be found and then we'll have Heath, Bush, Gerorge Will and the National Review crowd all proclaiming that the Iraqis were really a threat to the US after all.
Uhhh, Glynch. Evidence of a WMD program has been documented throughout this campaign. The Iraqi's have departments dedicated to chemical and biological programs. The threat wasn't that the Iraqi's were going to launch a weapon at us, but rather give or sell the technology to a terrorist organization. Given that there was a program in place, documented accounts of stockpiles that are now seemingly missing (he did use it on his own people....did he use it all?) and absolutely no account of destroying anything, I'd say there is a good chance it has been shipped out prior to the invasion. The Australian special forces have claims that they witnessed the movement of scud missles in and out of Syria before and during the campaign. No big deal - Scud missles. But the inference that Syria allowed this leaves the door open for the movement of WMD's. I've been teetering on the use of WMD's as a pretext to invade. I see both arguements. No.1: Iraq was a threat to the U.S. because of the WMD's they supposedly had. Bush using this as his pretext. No.2: We have not found any WMD's yet, therefore, Bush lied when giving his pretext. I go back and forth on this. On one hand I'll be pissed if I was deliberately lied to (even though this is common in all administrations, both Democrat and Repblican). On the other there is a threat that if a program was in place, no accounting for destroying any Chem/Bio weapons, and so far no WMD found. I'm scared that they've been shipped out into some Jackhole's hands to unleash in our country. If the latter is the case, then Buhs' pretext was valid. So, I'm asking you or anyone else, to dispute that there was a WMD program in place (remember they had generals of chemical divisions, or something like that). If this cannot be disputed, then in my mind Bush's pretext is valid, regardless of whether or not we find any agents or weapons. To me that is the issue....... And I can be easily persuaded with a valid arguement
It's amazing to me that you'll give Saddam the benefit of the doubt but mistrust our government so much that you're not even willing to give them the proper amount of time for a thorough investigation. If WMD's are indeed not found, then an investigation should show what exactly happened to the WMD's that we KNOW existed at one point in time. If I remember correctly, you posted something to the effect that suggested 9/11 was possibly staged to grab oil. You posted it very close to the 9/11 attacks at a time when our country was mourning the loss of 5,000 lives. At the time I was emotionally outraged that you would say such a thing after such a horrific event. It makes me wonder sometimes where your heart is. Why all the hate for our country?
C'mon, you know it was documented before the war too. Where did it go? Do you believe that Sadaam destroyed it?
No..there is 10,000 liters of unaccounted for anthrax alone..and the WMD trailers Saddam had built in 2002 and even 2003 indicated he was planning on creating more. The New York Times reported May 21 that the units "could be used to produce an estimated 500 liters of liquid anthrax and 50 liters of botulinum toxin per batch within two to three days -- millions of lethal doses."
The arguement is out there that those trucks weren't mobile bio labs. As far as I know nothing conclusive has been presented. However, I can't think of any reason to bury suspicious looking trucks that was used to produce fertilizer or whatever people are claiming.
It's the accuracy of the documentation that is at issue. See, e.g. third rate forged Niger uranium documents mentioned before the UN and in the state of the union as evidence of a nuclear weapons program.
What? I thought that the issue was that Bush deliberately lied about the existance of WMD's or overstated the truth. If you're saying the issue is the documentation, then that makes the case for Bush saying he was relying on bad intel. Something that some in the intel community dispute. But we do know that Hussein gassed his own people. Did he use it all up or destroy it? Where is the stuff? That is MY issue. (not that I mean anything...lol). I'd also like to know who in the hell gave Bush the Nigerian document. Someone ought to have their ass handed to them for that. Unforgivable.
