Tba, I guess the reason they say would support Iraq against U.S. is for a couple of reasons. Iraqi Attack Helicopters, weapons and ammunition haven't killed any of their women and children. Iraq isn't militarily supporting the govt. that keeps them in the same conditions that blacks in South Africa were kept under apartheid. If you looked out the window and saw a U.S. missle fired from a U.S. helicopter blow up your nine year-old neighbor, would you support the U.S.? I live in the U.S. and I'm not a supporter of Saddam Hussein at all, but looking at it from a Palestinian's point of view, I can understand why they wouldn't support the U.S. vs. Iraq. The U.S. side is supporting those that cause them harm, and Iraq isn't. That doesn't mean Iraq is the good guy, and the U.S. is the bad guy, just that from the perspective of the average Palestinian it's only logical.
I disagree. The Palestinians are not an ignorant people. In fact, they are highly educated and they understand the power of knowledge in their struggle. Their problem is that the Palestinians make horrible choices. Any fool can see that Israel will never return to 1967 borders without a guarantee of security. The Palestinians aren't offering security, but are demanding political change through extreme violence. The Palestinians know how Gandhi and MLK Jr. changed the world through non-violent demonstration, yet the Palestinians have chosen to massacre teenagers in discos instead. America would stand behind the Palestinians tomorrow if the violence stopped, and peace marches commenced. Lets not forgive the Palestinians when 80% of them support an evil regime in Iraq. We should not be enablers to their attitudes, which are the true source of their misery.
I agree that the Palestinians would be better served by Ghandi type tactics than by suicide bombings. However they can still see which side the U.S. supports in the conflict. They don't know that the U.S. would support them against Israeli oppression and occupation if all the suicide bombings stopped. There have been periods of months with no new attacks and Israel still revieves military support from the U.S. ISraeli govt. still pays for settlers despite the fact that it is in violation of the 4th geneva convention. Basically they can ask what has the U.S. done for the Palestinians so far? What has the U.S. done for Israel? I think looking at those two factors it's easy to see that they might not support the U.S. in a war.
FranchiseBlade Arafat and the Palestinians supported Iraq during the Gulf War in the early 90's and the vast majority of the world was on the pro Kuwait side. It was obvious that overwhelming military force was being sent to oust the Iraqis and Arafat still stuck with the loser in that battle. <A HREF="http://www.arab.net/palestine/history/pe_gulfwar.html">The Gulf War</A> <i> Relations between the United States, pro-western Arab states and the PLO severely deteriorated, however, at the time of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and the subsequent Gulf War. The reason for the deterioration was a simple one: Arafat declared his support for Iraq..........</i> Mango
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If you are engaging in guerilla tactics, like Hamas, and by definition without any distinguishing lines between military and civilian, you make your home a target. Your home IS your military base. Your home IS a military target.
And when the Israeli govt. pays settlers to illegally create more settlements while ousting and oppressing those who previously lived there regardless of whether they have military ties or not, some would say that those settlements are military targets. Those homes ARE illegal according to the 4th geneva convention. George W. Bush and I agree on this one that the attack was done knowing there would be civilians killed in it, and was heavy handed. I also am against the attacks on civilians who are settlers despite the fact they are there illegally. But using the logic you used they are legitimate targets. Here is only one part of the agreement the Israeli govt. is breaking and in fact pays it's citizens to break. There are plenty of other provisions of the treaty being broken by Israeli civilians paid by the Israeli govt. I didn't post them all here because it would have taken too much space.
When the Palestinian people realize that Arafat and Hamas are doing more to hurt them than Israel ever could.
Uh, no. You see Israel has MILITARY targets that can be attacked. That is the nature of being a STATE with a standing army. Illegal settlements are irrelevant. The settlements are not a military base. Whether they are illegal under the 4th GC or not, the 4th GC would not somehow make them military when they are not. My point is that no one should be suprised when someone uses their home as a base for military operations, and then that base is attacked.
It's not inconceivable; it's happening. That doesn't necessarily make it right. I'm not saying we should give a damn as Americans, but as humans somebody's got to give a damn that Israelis and Palestinians die unnecessarily whether by their own ignorance/stupidity or otherwise. Seems like the decent thing to do, anyway. To make flippant remarks about it is more an indication of how little we give a crap about others. When the WTC was attacked, we expected everyone to care and show sympathy? Why not show a little concern for others in the same way? Hell, fake it... Yes, I'm turning into a wimp.
While the settlements aren't military bases, they are heavily subsidized by the Israeli govt. And If Israel uses those settlements to further justify occupation(protecting settlers) or continues to build new settlements and displace palestinians civilians, then it seems similar. Both are using civilian locations for illegal activities. Again I don't agree with targetting either of them.
What cause are you talking about? You are saying that the level of violence in our society is relative to Palestinian violence. You assertion is absurd.
FranchiseBlade, Then it is OK for the Palestinians to target IDF infrastructure and uniformed soldiers because they are distinctly military? Mango
I don't think it's the best way for the Palestinians to help themselves at all. I think Ghandi-like methods of strikes and peaceful demonstrations that blockade key economic points in ISrael etc. would work better. The Israelis used terrorist actions such as bombing the civilian King David Hotel in their struggle for a homeland, The U.S. fought it's own revolution, and numerous other countries have used warfare as the means towards change. In this particular case I don't think warfare would help the Palestinians at all so it isn't ok for them to attack IDF infrastructure etc. But if that's the method chosen for their struggle then those would be legitimate targets.
