When was the last time a team traded AWAY a key star...

It depends who we get in return. There are plenty successful trades in the league. Dont forget we have 2 franchise players. If we can get good return on one of them, we will be ok. But of course all the teams you mentioned just blew up. We are not at that yet. We wont trade for the sake of getting rid of a cancer. If we trade, it has to be bringing pieces to fit in adelman's system.

 

Yeah, my bad, I do realize that the stats are skew soon after I post it. I withdraw that .

Well, I would like to point out the fact that T-mac's body is tearing apart. Stretches just come everywhere out of his body. Do we call that 'injury-prone' or not? What I m a bit worried about is that his body is functioning like an old Ferrari. Yeah, it still looks luxury, but who knows what could happen when you are driving it on a road.

For me, maybe only for myself, 70g/s is a pass-line. 70g/s defines whether you pass the exam or fail it.

 

We might be looking at how often a play got injured and quits a game to define ' injury-prone ' rather than 'how long'.

 

Orlando was better after they traded Mcgrady, until they traded Cat for Doug Christie...

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but every star on that list got past the first round, right? Does T-Mac belong to the group of difference makers?

 

Kobe unlike T-Mac has played multiple seasons where he goes deep into the playoffs (3 times they went all the way to the Finals). Plus, he's playing in the summer for USA now. Bryant is a hell of a lot more durable than McGrady.

They sucked with McGrady there. They went from being a .500 team prior to having T-Mac, to being dead last in the league when he was there. They had no choice, McGrady was bringing them nowhere. They were dwelling at the very bottom of the league with McGrady. Trading T-Mac was absolutely the right choice.

That's because the GM was a fool. Babcock is probably the worst GM of the decade (worse than McHale, worse than Thomas). The mistakes he made set the Raptors back half a decade. He gave away Vince for nothing, rebuilt without a plan, and made some really horrible draft positions (Araujo, Graham instead of Granger).

They made the playoffs immediately after they fired him and got Colangelo in there.

They made the playoffs.

They've had the exact same success as the Houston Rockets. So, if the Rockets suck now while paying McGrady's max salary, as he misses streaks of games each season, what difference would it make to trade him for younger talent? The Rockets would still suck, but would likely improve, instead of decline? Still makes sense to move him.

Hinrich isn't a role player. Neither are Nocioni, or any other of the young Bulls stars the Rockets would get back in a package for T-Mac.

The idea isn't to surround Yao with role players. The idea is to surround him with 2, 3 good, young, reliable players. Therefore, Houston builds as a team like Detroit or San Antonio.

McGrady isn't as good as Iverson or Garnett. For that matter, he's not as good as Kidd or Shaq when they were traded either.

Instead of seeing this as Houston getting rid of a venerable superstar on the level of Shaq or Kidd, you should think of this as Portland getting rid of Zach Randolph or Indy swapping out Artest (except Houston gets more in return because they're less desperate and T-Mac will be good to his team for 1 season).

 

I don't remember the other teams.

But when Webber was traded, Kings were already going down. No way they could become better with the same roster. Some changes were needed. Webber weren't able to do much after he went to new teams. Does that mean something?

Sixers and Wolves were already sucking when they traded their stars.

For lakers, if they don't trade Shaq, they might do well for at most one or two more years. Look at today's heat. Probably Lakers should have traded Shaq one or two years later. But if they keep his fat contract like Heat is doing now, they will be doomed for several more years until they can get rid of him.

Right or wrong?

 

I kind of see the point, but as others have pointed out, the examples are worthless to say the least.

Btw, one team in recent memory that had a lot of talent and got rid of an all-star was the Lakers. They got rid of Eddie Jones... and won some championships. Granted, the move was to make way for Kobe, but still... It just to show you that you have to look at each move in its own context.

To be honest, if the Rockets revert back to their style earlier in the year following the return of T-Mac, then you can't say that the Rockets have to hold on to the guy. After all, if we can't win WITH T-Mac, then we might as well gamble on whether we can win without him.

 

I just don't see the Rockets trading Tracy unless they think this season is a lost cause. If that's the case, I think they'll hold on to him until the deadline.

 

rockets won't trade away mcgrady unless we get someone equal in return...of course at least not at this point where yao is aging and we only have a few years for a shot at the championship trophy...

 

Detroit was on its way to championship after the grant hills trade.

 

Hardly anyone trades a superstar if they are on top of their game (the exception is Lakers with Shaq). Most teams who trade a superstar do so because they are struggling due the the star's flaws or their hand is forced. It's a catch-22, becaase if T-Mac does well he has maximal trade value but we're not gonna trade him becuase we're a contender with T-Mac and Yao both healthy and playing well. On the other hand, if T-Mac is playing poorly or hurt (like now), all the bandwagoners want to trade him even though he has minimal trade value. The best bet is to roll your dice with the 2 superstars and hope the team comes together with some role players stepping up. Any trade of T-Mac is gonna likely bring 70 cents on the dollar talent-wise and it will take that much more time for the team to gel.

 

He wasn't playing early in his career because he was riding the pine. If you remember, Del Harris and then Kurt Rambis preferred having Kobe come off the bench. Eddie Jones, Van Exel, and Sedale Threatt were all ahead of him in the rotation.

 

Stop spewing this bull!

Nitro and Icehouse already disproved this nonsense. Get your head out of the sand and stop trying to re-write history.

I say Weisbroad was the worst!

Only makes sense if you get value, and whoever trades the best player never gets value unless you have pictures.

Did you just compare T-Mac to Zach Randolph? You have now solidified yourself as King of the Dumba$$'s.

McGrady is on the level of Iverson, Garnett, et al, but injuries and supporting cast have limited him. Various basketball writers have said that he is the best pure talent of anyone they have ever seen, and you just compared him to ZR????.

 

Did you happen to check how Orlando performed after T-Mac was sent to here? They won 15 more games.

BTW. I don't believe T-Mac will be traded away in this season.

 

I don't think it helps prove your point when you have to search 20 and 30 years ago for any examples.

 

Some poeple can't appreciate what they have.

TMac just needs to make some adjustments to his game, which he has proven he is very willing to do. He is a very effective passer.


With the horrid shooting I'm convinced he felt like he had to carry the team on his back, and sometimes it's difficult to discern when to take over a game and when to let your teammates get into the flow. Now that everyone can see our players can perform w/o TMac, it is clearer what TMac's role is. No one can tell me they knew the answer before this recent 'experiment' with TMac injured. It did not appear that there was any quick fix to this team's woes.

We are a much much better team with TMac, and I'm confident that he can work into the flow. And in some close games against very good teams, he will take over the 4th quarter and no one here will whine about it.

 

Obviously we are a much better team with TMac, than without. The question is:
Are we a much better team with Tmac than we would be with some other player or players filling his salary cap space? That is an unknown that would depend on who the other players you got to fill that salary cap space are.

Anyway, for examples of trades of all stars for non all stars you can look to Detroit.

Traded all star Jerry Stackhouse for up and coming Richard Hamilton.

Traded all star Grant Hill for an unproven Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins.

Both ended up working out pretty well for Detroit.