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When they see my face, the world will view US differently

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Sep 13, 2012.

  1. basso

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    Before deciding to run for president, Obama and Michelle met with Axelrod in the latter's office in Chicago. during the meeting Michelle asked O "what is it that you uniquely have to offer?" (paraphrasing) and Obama answered, "When the world sees my face, they will look at this country differently." (quoting from memory, I don't have the exact quote to hand.)

    call it hubris, arrogance, supreme self-confidence, that self-regard was on display in his speech in Berlin, the dash to Copenhagen to try and win the Olympic games, and many other venues, domestically and abroad. Nowhere more so than in Cairo in 2009, where he crafted the Obama Doctrine, attempting to present a new "face" to the arab/muslim world.

    that doctrine now lies in shambles, along with the bodies for 4 americans. and today we learn that marines in the embassy in cairo were prohibited from using live ammunition, and that security in Libya, both in Tripoli and Benghazi, was woefully inadequate, even after a previous incident in June.

    The people in this administration are amateurs, worse, dilettantes....when an act of war is committed against the United States, they apologize. despite ample warnings, and a previous attack, they made no attempt to increase security. and now, Obama has disowned the major power in the region, Egypt, which is a disgrace.

    ...and ignoring the Green revolution in Iran is one of the most shameful episodes in our history, by a country, and a government, that is supposed to be shining beacon of freedom to oppressed peoples the world over.

    Ask not for whom the chimes of freedom toll, for they surely toll not for thee.

    every american should be embarrassed, saddened...and angry.
     
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    Was the OP your own reporting or is there a link for what you've posted? Are you plagiarizing again?

    If it's all your own thoughts, what else can you tell us about The Obama's meeting with Axelrod in Chicago before he ran for President?
     
  7. mc mark

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    I met Mr Carter once. He's a nice old man.
     
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    Gee, what happens when Obama polls higher next week?
     
  9. durvasa

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    So you agree with Jimmy Carter over John McCain on this one, eh?

    Question: do you have an actually principled stance on anything, or is it simply that you think Obama has messed up on every conceivable issue?
     
  10. AroundTheWorld

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    I met Mr Bush senior once and shook his hand. He's also a nice old man in person.
     
  11. basso

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    i do, in fact.
     
  12. basso

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    don't spike the football, it gets americans killed.

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    Obama’s Terror Touchdown Dance is Over
    Jonathan S. Tobin

    Yesterday, when most of the mainstream media busied themselves pounding Mitt Romney for having the chutzpah to denounce the initial apology for American freedom of speech issued by the U.S. embassy in Cairo, they were missing a much more important story. As Islamist attacks on the U.S. escalated throughout the Middle East, it became apparent that the Obama administration’s recent bout of back slapping celebration over its foreign and defense policy was completely unjustified. Not only were the White House, the Pentagon and the State Department sleeping while terrorist forces plotted a full-scale assault on our mission in Benghazi, Libya but other al Qaeda operatives were at work throughout the region plotting mischief.

    As the New York Times reports today, the assault on the U.S. embassy in Sana, Yemen was apparently fomented by one Abdul Majid al-Zandani, whom they describe as, “a onetime mentor to Osama bin Laden” and someone who, “was named a ‘specially designated global terrorist’ by the United States Treasury Department in 2004.” Would it be considered in bad taste to ask why, if the Obama administration’s counter-terrorism policy is such a raging success, such a person is still on the loose? Equally interesting is the answer to the question of how it is that in Libya, a country where American influence is supposed to be currently strong, this administration found itself surprised by the appearance of armed foes. Though Democrats spent the last week furiously patting themselves on the back for having such a tough and successful leader at the helm, it appears that not only is the country just as unpopular in the Middle East as it was when George W. Bush was president, but that the security situation there may be rapidly unraveling. Though no one in Washington is allowed to say the phrase “war on terror” anymore, it appears that Islamists have no trouble in continuing their war on America.


    These events in Libya, Egypt and Yemen may be just the tip of the Islamist iceberg. We now know that the kerfuffle over a trailer for an anti-Muslim movie was merely a cover for attacks on American targets in the Middle East by an al-Qaeda movement that is, despite the death of Osama bin Laden, very much alive and well. As the Times relates, U.S. forces continue to try to battle al-Qaeda. Earlier this week, one of the group’s top operatives in Yemen was killed by a U.S. drone strike. But not all of America’s security problems can be solved with remote control bombs.

    Rather than this topic being a source of strength for President Obama, the embarrassing and tragic events of the past few days show it to be a weakness. This is a president who came into office desperate to ingratiate himself with the Arab and Muslim worlds, but who has discovered that a policy of engagement with Islamists has utterly failed.

    In Egypt, Obama equivocated while the Muslim Brotherhood rose to power. He has chosen to embrace the now Islamist government there with debt forgiveness and continued aid only to see it stand by and watch while our embassy was assaulted.

    In Iran, the president spent years on failed policies of engagement and diplomacy. Rather than set red lines on the Iranian nuclear program that would trigger action rather than more talk, he has made it abundantly clear he is more interested in stopping Israel from forestalling Tehran’s bomb than he is about the threat itself.

    It is true that Osama bin Laden is dead, but that creditable action hasn’t ended the Islamist threat. The president has lost his way in the Middle East and is too full of self-regard to acknowledge the problem. Rather than dumping on Romney for stating the obvious about a disgraceful apology, the media needs to start scrutinizing an administration with a floundering foreign policy. Whether he knows it or not, the president’s long-running touchdown dance over bin Laden is over.
     
  13. mc mark

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    So are you going to answer Blade's question?
     
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    Why shouldn't I think that you siding with Jimmy Carter on this is simply due to your reflexive need to disagree with Obama on everything?

    Let's say McCain was president and he made the exact same comment that Obama did. And let's say Carter voiced his disagreement. Can you tell me, with a straight face, that you would have sided with Jimmy Carter in that instance?
     
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    i would.
     
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    <iframe width="853" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/vXXToNNNoZc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  17. durvasa

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    Then if you believe its important that we maintain strong relations with Egypt, as our long-standing "ally", you must reject the following critique from the article you just posted:

    "In Egypt, Obama equivocated while the Muslim Brotherhood rose to power. He has chosen to embrace the now Islamist government there with debt forgiveness and continued aid only to see it stand by and watch while our embassy was assaulted."

    Go ahead and do so. If you can't bring yourself to do that, then again I must ask why should anyone believe you stand for anything other than trolling the current administration.
     
  18. mc mark

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    It really shows the depths you've fallen basso when you have to use a tragedy like this to exploit a political point. Romney did the same thing and look what happened to him.
     
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    Before you post another oversized video maybe you could answer the questions I asked.

     
  20. basso

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    not following your reasoning. we can criticize the actions of our ally, while they remain such.
     

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