Incomparable situations, since this thread was based on games, where one of/both McGrady or Yao was present. Last night's match, without those two players, Juwon stepped up, but again, it's two different scenarios.
"Stepped Up" Robert Horry Sam Cassell Kenny Smith Vernon Maxwell Carl Herrera Mario Elie Those dudes "Stepped Up" "Stepped Up" refers to elevating ones game to help a team achieve a higher goal.. a championship stepping up doesnt count when the team is resting their players for the playoffs and were ending a horid season. I blame JVG, he should have let the younger players get some PT.
I hope you're being sarcastic b/c blaming all this on JH is harsh. Dude plays his ass off night in and night out. He may not the deserve the $ he is getting but to trash him like this is wrong! Your reasoning is pretty weak and flawed: Juwan leaves Washington : now playoff team I am sure Gilbert Arenas, Antoine Jamison and (Larry Hughes->last season) C. Butler this season had nothing to do with it, never mind that JH left in the middle of the 00-01 season. Juwan leaves Dallas: Dallas is now #2 behind the Spurs Dallas was coming off a 50+ win season before they acquired JH. Juwan leaves Denver: Denver is a playoff team Again, I am sure Carmelo, Camby, Andre Miller, G. Karl, Boykins and K Martin had nothing to do with it. Juwan leaves Orlando: missed the playoffs by one game this year, gets stud in Howard (Dwight). Let's not forget T_Mac was a part of that $hitty team that got them that pick and orlando is still mediocre at best. If the turn-around was immediate as the case with S. Marbury than I would buy it but it's not even close. The Nets & Suns became the best teams in the league following Marbury's departure, those teams Juwon left became decent teams a few years and many new acquisitions laters except dallas which was already very good. Orlando is still mediocre at best.
Rivaldy, do you realize that the sucking that the 'Juwan teams' had before them lead to high draft picks like getting Carmelo? Rivaldy, watch some NBA please. Dwight Howard is a beast, they were 1 game away from the playoffs this year. They are young and improving at a rapid pace. Im not harsh on Juwan. talk to a Wizards/bullets fan and talk about the 100million they paid him. Marbury sucks too.
I guess you misunderstood me. Howard led us in score last night and we won. What's funny is that Howard defied tinman's analysis in a game we wanted badly to LOSE.
And THIS, Ladies & Gentlemen, will set the record straight once and for all regarding the CURSE or COINCIDENCE surrounding Juwan Howard. I will be waiting anxiously to see how the win in Denver (Juwan's 31 Point, Big-Ticket-Of-The-Night, Fantasy Game) will affect our lottery performance. If we end up with a higher pick as a result of this win, JHo should forever be sainted. However, if the team just ahead of us gets a top pick as a result of our win, then it seems quite undeniable that Howard is in fact cursed. (Disclaimer: The lottery position movement for us or the team immediately ahead of us must be more significant than 1 spot in order to to determine JHo's positive or negative worth) I personally think Drexler has more to do with the tainted air around the Rockets this season than anyone, but that's a tale for another thread.
i believe this is true also. the fact that we have juwan and that we dont have calvin. calvin's only a hall of famer who's been with the rockets for 20 years. it was pretty easy for marv albert to get his job back.
CAUTION: Momentary Thread Derailment Follows Yeah, too many negative relations with Rockets Legends. - I always thought that as a commentator, Calvin played the role of the clown a little too much, but his genuine love and enthusiasm for the game itself cannot possibly be disputed. What was it really about Calvin that didn't jive well with Les? Anybody know? - Drexler is another cursed sports figure. Everything he touches seems to turn sour. And before you mention our Championship with him, I'll counter that we won in spite of his curse because we had 3 or 4 of the most clutch and most legendary swagger ballers of all-time on our squad playing increased roles even over the previous championship season (See Big-Shot Bob, Sam "Super-Sub" Cassell, and Super Mario). - I too believed it was Rudy's time to go, but surely it could've been handled much better than it was. Even still, he should be on our side somewhere, somehow. The guy took a punch to the face for our team only to take a bigger punch to his soul so many years later. - Instead of Ex-Knicks on the sidelines, how about the likes of Elie and Scotty Brooks or even Chris Jent. There doesn't appear to be any air of tradition and rememberance and exaltation with the organization. When I look up at the banners, it's always stirring for me. Outside of Yao, who has a feeling of appreciation of history and tradition, it doesn't appear the rest of our team has/feels any bond with what it means to be a Rocket. (It should be a special thing to put on a Knicks, Lakers, Celtics jersey) It should mean something to be a Rocket. And to further clarify about JHo, I don't think he's a bad guy at all. Quite the contrary, I think he's a really good guy and does play hard. He just doesn't have much skill nor athleticsm left. And he's got a contract fat until 2009 (I can't imagine him not exercising his option in 2008) As for his part in the curse, like I said I previously, I'm looking forward to seeing how the lottery plays out (for us and the team directly ahead of us) after the win in Denver. And now, back to your regularly scheduled thread. (Thanks for the floor, Tinman )
good post. 1. you guys need to watch "CLUTCH CITY", if you can find it on VHS somewhere. you should have seen how happy Calvin was in the locker room when the Rockets beat the Knicks. he was high fiving Dream and yelling "DREAM ON! DREAM ON!". There is no one, REPEAT, no one, more proud to be a Houston Rocket. To see him get treated like dirt after being proved INNOCENT, makes part of me says, well the Rockets deserved this bad luck. 2. Drexler got a free ride as a Rocket cause he's from Houston. Otis/Vernon/Mario/Kenny/Sam/Robert were the building blocks. Drexler is also played 13 years with the Blazers before he came here. He was more of a Blazer than a Rocket. Just like Barkley was more of Sun than a Rocket. I like them both, but none of them should go in the HOF as Rockets. 3. Mario is a great assistant coach, I saw him coaching an undermanned Warriors team vs the Nuggets. He was on the court yelling at the officials players. He was always in the game. 4. Im glad Juwan got a bobblehead. If Boki got one, Juwan derserves one too. Especially when he's got that "IM NOT PASSING THE BALL" look on him.
Juwan leading the Rockets in scoring may be precisely correlated to Tinman leading the BBS in reply posting.
Tinlady, your arguments are weak. If this team is better next season should JH not play, it will be because YAO and T-Mac are healthy not b/c JH is not there. The Rox were what?....yes, that's right a 50+ win team with JH at starting PF last season, and 21-10 when both superstars were healthy with JH in the lineup. Did JH snub you for an autograph or something, get off him already and start making sense. Start b****in and complaining about the dude who lacks heart like your moniker the tinman. Or start b****ing and complaining about players who can't hit shots if their lives depended on it. Your connections to teams that JH has been on becoming better after he leaves makes make NO sense!
He did NOT play (he only had a life threatening heart condition, no BIG deal ) and we were eliminated!
um. tinman, you got a job or something? why don't you get creative at - for insatnce - writing, computer programming or anything? this is all beyond resonable what you do here (or should I say below resonable)
I'll agree with you that JH should not be playing starters minutes but I'd rather he play them then Stro b/c Stro hasn't shown any consistency. There's no one else on the team that should be playing more minutes at PF this season (Chuck Hayes is not good enough-I love his heart and hustle but he is not the answer as a full time PF.) Your arguments and rational for JH's negative impact on teams are very far from the truth. I'll leave it at that.
