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When Do You Start To Rebuild?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ebatinga, Aug 2, 2010.

  1. leebigez

    leebigez Member

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    Maybe because everytime martin plays, the team is closer to losing than winning. Maybe because martin and his effeciency only shows in meaningless games down the stretch. There are alot of reason why they didn't make it together. I think eveans would be better served with a monte ellis/aaron brooks type of guy besides him. Thats why i say if brooks makes it to restricted free agency, he's gone to sacramento. The one thing sacramento has on its side is petrie who is really good at picking players. That team is loaded with young talent and if they have to make a trade, there will be teams clamoring over some of their young talent. Casspi,greene,thompson all are good young players and sacramento has one of the best fan bases in the nba. The only game in town is really good for smaller markets. Having a gm that can pick players no matter where they're drafting is huge too. I will give them 2 more years and they will be a serious threat. If they get brooks next offseason, it pushes them up a year.
     
  2. glimmertwins

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    I'm sorry - this is just fundamentally flawed thinking. Name me one instance where two guys on a team who have to dominate the ball to be effective have worked out. If you really think a Monta Ellis type player would be better for the Kings than Kevin Martin, then there is nothing I can do to help you understand. Maybe if you consider age/injury history but in pure basketball terms Tyreke has to have the ball in his hands at all times to be effective and so does a guy like Monta. It would be a waste having both as your guards.

    Brooks can be effective as a spot shooter there, but why would the Kings acquire him when part of his value is in his ball handling and speed with the ball? If they want Tyreke as their primary PG, I see the rest of AB's talents(that they would surely be paying for) going to waste. In short there are other sharpshooters who could be had for far cheaper if they just needed an accurate shooter since Tyreke will be handling the ball and creating off the dribble 90% of the time for them. The other problem with Brooks on the Kings is it effectively negates their matchup advantage with Evans. Evans would have to guard SGs because Brooks couldn't and in turn opposing SGs would guard Evans. All of sudden he doesn't have the height/weight mismatch. I think the Kings are going to build long term by surrounding Evans with big combo G/Fs to play the 2/3 with Cousins at the 4 and a defensive/blocking Center(Dalembert for now).

    It's a solid way to construct a lineup - lots of interior defense, a huge team in all positions....but I don't see a wing stopper on that roster and I worry that there aren't enough shooters around Tyreke/Cousins if you want to spread the floor around the inside/out game with Cousins and the slash and kick game with Evans. Plus, I have my doubts about Evans as a team leader. A guy like Ariza would be perfect for that team(decent spot shooter, awful with the ball in his hands, great defender) and then some sort of natural leader would be ideal - a Chauncey Billups type of guy would be ideal but they will probably have to settle for the Stephen Jacksons of the world. Basically, I don't see the Kings being a significant threat for at least another two or three years at the earliest and that is with some key roster additions.
     
  3. Corpusfan

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    Nonsense. That approach is way too limiting and is a recipe for years and years of failure. It relies too much on luck. Your beautiful strategy of pairing Chandler and Curry as your force of the future will too often simply end up losing you an Elton Brand at the height of his powers, and resigning you to years of ineptitude. If you have some of the players you need in your plan to build a contender, you keep them and build from that foundation. If you're making smart moves and forging smart contracts as a matter of routine, it's not likely you'll ever have to ditch everything and start from scratch. Fortunately, Darryl Morey seems to know this.
     
  4. lalala902102001

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    We are already rebuilding...

    The team has gotten significantly younger and more athletic over the last few years, after the TMac/Yao combo started to break down health-wise. I don't expect Yao to play nearly as big a role in the future as he did in the past. We are moving forward.
     
  5. ebatinga

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    If this is your argument, then why are the Clippers rebuilding every year....they've traded away assets, have had multiple losing seasons....I think that's a flawed argument....

    That's why teams like the Spurs and the Jazz are so relevant, they rebuild through the draft, but by making alot of under the radar moves...that's why the Rockets hopefully won't be a rebuilding team (at least from scratch anway)...
     
  6. ryano2009

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    when Yao retire.
     
  7. sbyang

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    The Clippers are rebuilding every year because they have terrible drafts coupled with bad luck. They either draft bad players like Yaroslev Korelev and Chris Wilcox or just have bad luck with their player injuries, like Livingston and Griffin. I think we will draft much much better than the Clippers.

    If we want to rebuild, we follow the OKC Thunder/ Portland trailblazers model. Blow it up and start from scratch, get lots of assets for players so we can move around in the draft (say move up for Brandon Roy), draft well and hopefully have the team turn around in 3 years. The key here is to make sure we have a top 5 picks consistently, the odds of lucking into a top 3 pick are very low so we have to have a bad team, a 50-60 loss team.

    Some posters are under the illusion that a team can be rebuilt on the fly, like a .500 season is rebuilding. All a .500 season and low lotto pick does is make it so that we have another .500 season.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    Boston did it, so did San Antonio after David Robinson left.

    There is no "Magic bullet" to getting it done.

    DD
     
  9. t_mac1

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    i don't think we'll ever rebuild, at least in the foreseeable future.

    morey has already planned for life post-yao (hence he tried to go after bosh this summer). and we have the chips to trade for a star. we just need it to happen.

    but usually teams rebuild when they have a bottom 5 record.
     
  10. leebigez

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    glimmer, nice write up,but i disagree. I think brooks is so explosive that he can basically play sg next to a guy like tyreke. The great thing about aaron is not only his catch and shoot ability, but his scores off the bounce. I said it before, but tracy was pushing for brooks to start in the beginning of 08-09 season. Brooks ability to do what i said earlier is the main reasons. Who did tyrekle model his game after? Yep, you guessed it, tracy. Is that a reason to give brooks 8-10m per? No, but his fit,explosiveness,on court demeanor fitting on that young team is.

    If all the young guys get beeter this year and in the offseason they add brooks, they will have enough capable elements to begin contending in the 2011 season.
     
  11. worzel gummidge

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    I'd add the team has been rebuilt and is constantly evolving.

    Rafer, McGrady, Battier, Juwan, Yao
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    Brooks, Martin, Ariza, Scola, Yao

    Some people complain about not flushing all the players to have capspace and having assets don't count for much. Where did that leave the Knicks or Nets?

    Rockets would have nothing to show for after this FA if they followed that route.
     

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