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When did musical innovation peak?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Xerobull, Aug 29, 2022.

  1. jo mama

    jo mama Member

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    or did it peak with the music video where big and rich had their midget friend and a bunch of hookers?

     
  2. TimDuncanDonaut

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    The music making process has evolved quite a bit. Particularly the reliance on digital software. From recording to mixing.

    The distribution also changed. Barrier to entry lowered, fewer 'gatekeepers' where "radio/big labels' used to dominate. Could be counted as innovation/improvement. Musicians can pop off and go viral on platforms like TikTok.

    Also ways of measuring success, going platinum used to mean selling x million physical records. Nowadays things like number of times / duration streams is counted.

    Average length of songs are shorter. 3:30 - 5 minute songs was normal. Now lot of songs are under 3:30.

    Indy music scenes are strong, with the internet it's much easier to find obscure artists and sub genres.

    As far as trendy ness of sub genres. Dubstep popularity has fizzled. Trap and emo rap is still pretty mainstream. Recent sub genres that gotten some momentum are bedroom pop, hyperpop and UK drill.

    Last few years, artists like Dua Lipa and the Weekend tap into 80's athetics. That came and went.
     
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  3. Haymitch

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    Ah yes, it's the classic Kid Rock + midget + hookers vs Big and Rich + midget + hookers debate. We'll never get to the bottom of it.
     
  4. DCkid

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    I think it's the first half of the 90s. Mainly because a lot of this experimental music actually made it to the mainstream. Not to mention the amount of way out in left fields bands/artists that never quite reached the mainstream, but were actually getting offers and being signed to major labels. Even a band like Brainiac was getting offers from majors, which is hard to believe.

    I think the key is that something new and exciting has to come out of nowhere and achieve some unexpected mainstream success. This leads to record company bidding wars, where they try to sign as many of these "new" artists as they can in the hope to cash in. It's all done in such a rush that the record companies don't have time to vet (ruin) many of these bands or even develop a watered down "formula" to achieve the most palatable version of the type of music to reach the most people. The result is a whole slew of diverse bands on major labels free to do whatever they want AND had a lot of promotional money put into them.

    In particular, I think this was mainly the confluence of Alternative Rock reaching the mainstream and rap really blowing up and maturing as an art form after it's initial rise in the 80s. Major labels were signing rap groups and alternative rock bands left and right that would have been considered "indie" before and after that time period.

    Of course, the record companies quickly figured out the "formula" with bands like Creed for the pop-rock crowd and Limp Bizkit/Kid Rock's for the hard rock crowd. And it was a slow decline from there with mainstream rock barely even existing today. Rap is a much younger genre and I believe at this point it is at it's KidRock/Creed stage with no end in sight. So, basically there is no rock in mainstream music today. Mainstream rap is awful. So, what's left? Maybe this mono-genre pop music that is all produced by the same handful of old European white guys. There's some good music still being made, but it's all pretty culturally inconsequential.

    I agree there is always an element of "the music back in my day was so much better." But, I think in toddy's case, mainstream music as a whole can be objectively proven to be weaker than ever before.
     
  5. jo mama

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    id have to give the nod to senator rock as he also has a video where he rides a giant dildo into outerspace while holding a gun in one hand and a bottle of whiskey in the other.


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  6. kubli9

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    Maybe it is more of a west coast thing, but I'd say that dubstep and EDM are as popular, if not more, than they've ever been. They do several huge EDM festivals at The Gorge here in the PNW every summer now.
     
  7. Buck Turgidson

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    It peaked with the keytar, specifically this exact moment in time

     
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  8. Invisible Fan

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    No way dude.

    I'm sure they modeled the events of Bill & Ted after the guy, and he rocked on for all eternity.
     
  9. Xerobull

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    You can't argue that. Scoreboard.
     
  10. Dr of Dunk

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    Oh noes... the innovation is deeeed!!! :D

     
  11. Rocket River

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    Sampling, Screw, and Cutting are the last great innovations to me - musically
    Lyrically - cleverness while maintaining a subject is not new. .. .but also happening as much now

    What the latest innovations? Then we can tell what is peak

    Rocket River
     
  12. Surfguy

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    February 12, 1981 - "Moving Pictures" release date by Rush ;)
     
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  13. AleksandarN

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    Obviously

     
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  14. DOMINATOR

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    music is still expanding... its just more electronic and influence of computers. a single person can create an entire song all on a computer. doesnt even have to be able to play an instrument or sing.

    i saw polyphia mentioned. I'll throw in some similar bands








    if you want pure talent check out Ren / The big push. he's pure talent sing, rap, guitar, bass



     
  15. thegary

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    I am a huge music fan. I listen to music both new and old for hours and hours a day. I don’t understand the question, am I an idiot?
     
  16. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
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    You're not an idiot. It seems that a lot of people don't understand the question.

    mu·sic
    /ˈmyo͞ozik/

    vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion.

    in·no·va·tion
    /ˌinəˈvāSH(ə)n/

    a new method, idea, product, etc.

    (updated on first post)

    So when was the PEAK of new methods/ideas for music?

    I see a lot of new bands in this thread, but they aren't exactly innovating. Very good music. Not using new methods or ideas, though.
     
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