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When Cruz Makes His Move, Watch Out

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Nov 24, 2015.

  1. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

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    Ted Cruz himself doesn't qualify under Rule 40(b) at this point though he likely will eventually.

    Would be awesome if he doesn't though.

    However, I find it incredibly hypocritical that Cruz voters don't think someone who has less delegates than Cruz should be allowed to win the nomination but they DO think someone with less than Donald should be allowed to.

    In the Ted Cruz voter world, the will of the people doesn't matter. LOL

    Essentially the voters get to pick TWO people to go the convention for the party to choose from. Right Cruz fans?
     
  2. pirc1

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    If Trump does not get the nomination and he have the most delegates, you can bet he will run as third party, Hillary would laugh in her dreams if that happens.
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    It makes no difference really, if Hillary gets to run against Trump, she'll be laughing all the way to the presidency. Basically the only chance the Republicans have is if someone other than Trump gets the nomination and Trump just goes away afterwards. That said, he was never really interested in actually winning.
     
  4. MojoMan

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    The North Dakota Republican Caucus is today. This appears to be a strange deal. Here is a summary of the rules:

    So none of these delegates are actually bound. However, it does appear for a variety of reasons that Ted Cruz will likely walk away with the substantial majority of delegates supporting him.

    Nevertheless, since they are unbound, there is no way to tell for sure who won this "caucus" until they cast their votes on the convention floor. That raises a question I had not considered until now, not that it probably will matter anyway. Exactly when are the delegates counted for purposes of rule 40 (I know, this may well be changed)? It appears that it has to be from the delegate counts on the first ballot voting.

    Anyway, this North Dakota caucus is a strange duck, that is for certain.
     
  5. tmacfor35

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    Am I wrong when saying that Cruz is not a major upgrade over Trump?

    The candidates this year really are bad.

    GW/Obama/Bill would all run roughshed over this group.

    Heck, Romney or McCain would have too.
     
  6. tmacfor35

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    I think it's much closer than those hypothetical polls suggest.

    It's March polls a long way away.

    I can't imagine any of these canidates running the country.

    Maybe contested will bring about someone worthy.

    I'd be all about Rubio getting brought back to life. He would have tore Hilary a new one in head to head situations.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    I think the polls overestimate Trump's support in a national election, he really would get absolutely destroyed. He couldn't get much support from his base because he's not really a Republican nor is he a conservative and he wouldn't get support from moderates either because he's an idiot who constantly gets exposed as a fraud any time he tries to talk on issues.

    I think Cruz could have a chance against Hillary, but Trump couldn't beat anyone in a national election.
     
  8. tmacfor35

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    That's your opinion, but people hate being wrong and that's why Trump is a strong second choice.

    Republican vote has been up tremendously.

    That will play a factor in Novemver.

    Hilary is meh. I respect your opinion but I think it will be closer than polls suggest.
     
  9. Bobbythegreat

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    Do you really support Trump? I honestly can't imagine why anyone would other than some kind of racism, sexism, or general bigotry because that's the only thing Trump is consistent on. Literally everything else he's on every side of the issue.

    I just don't see how anyone can take him seriously as a candidate. He's almost completely ignorant when it comes to nearly every issue and he proves it over an over again.
     
  10. peleincubus

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    How many times can you seriously reiterate your opinion on Trump? It's safe to say that we get it.
     
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    Bobby is always on repeat.

    He likes to sink with the ship if given an opportunity.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    I was asking someone to try and justify support of Trump. I have yet to see an intelligent person do so. Also, for the most part, what I said wasn't opinion so much as it was fact. It's not really disputed that Trump is almost completely ignorant on the issues and that he flip flops and takes every side of issues all the time. Really I was just pointing out things that are common knowledge and asking how a person would justify supporting Trump despite those things.
     
  13. peleincubus

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    Hey man I agree with you. It's just you know

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  14. Air Langhi

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    If there are 3 candidates and no one gets 270 the republicans could win it since they have the house.
     
  15. tmacfor35

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    Who is supporting Trump?

    I mentioned that he was a second choice for most as that was actually a polled fact.

    I find it laughable that you hold your opinion as the 100% determining factor on everything.

    Your personality of "I'm always right, and everything goes" is Trumpesque to a T.

    It's highly hypocritical.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    I have no idea who is supporting Trump, people rarely want to come out of the closet and admit it unless they are total idiots.....but I know they surely must exist due to his numbers. I'm trying to find someone who happens to be a Trump person that might be able to explain their support in a halfway intelligent manner.

    Hell I'd even take someone who has Trump as a 2nd option, maybe they can justify that based on Trump's supposed merits. I don't think it's a shocker that I see 4 better candidates than Trump still in the race.

    Again though, while you might know my opinion on Trump, what I've said is fact based, not opinion based so saying that I'm holding my opinion as the 100% determining factor on the issue is just flat out inaccurate. I'm just trying to hear the justification by any who might support Trump despite the largely undisputed flaws I laid out.
     
  17. tmacfor35

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    What you are saying isn't fact. It's an opinion.

    Why wouldn't someone making over 250k a year vote for Bernie?

    You need to hold people's opinions as value if you want them to hear you out.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    It is a fact that Trump is horribly ignorant on most of the issues.

    It is a fact that Trump has flip flopped and taken nearly every side of multiple issues and spent almost his entire life as a Democrat.

    Those aren't opinions, those are facts.

    When it comes to the opinion of others, I'll value them if they are well thought out and on some level intelligent. I won't value them if they are a joker like Rocketman. That's not an unfair policy.

    You say that you don't support Trump, so you probably aren't going to be the person to attempt to justify support for him. That said, given his numbers, you'd think that there would have to be at least one halfway intelligent supporter on here and that's who I'm looking to hear from.

    Basically I'm trying to understand how an intelligent person could support Trump knowing those facts about him that I pointed out above.
     
  19. dc rock

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    Only saw this recently thanks to the best source of news, Vic Berger.

    Is this not bizarre? Surprised no one in the media talked much about it.

    Child fasts for Ted Cruz

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...eck-spotlights-child-fasting-for-cruz-in-utah

    “I want to tell you why I have hope,” Beck said*in Provo, Utah. "Dale introduced himself to me, and he didn’t tell me this, his father told me this."

    “Dale has been fasting without anybody knowing it every Tuesday for the last three weeks for the right outcome in this election,” Beck added. "This is the priesthood rising.

    “Prepare for a time of miracles.*The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is real, and he is fierce and these are his rights.*Get out on Tuesday and be a part of it.*There’s no one on the sidelines.”
     
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    THIS IS ABSOLUTELY EFFING TERRIFYING.
     

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