Quoted for truth. I was once a naive guy who thought feminism supports an egalitarian approach towards equality of people regardless of gender or sex. Sadly, in reality, I see that feminism = female chauvinism (for a select few). Anytime a group of people denounces a person as not being a "real woman" or "real man" because a person does not subscribe to their rigid views, you realize that "equality" is not their primary concern. I believe that failure to appreciate the differences between people of same/different gender/sex is very much a failure to view reality as it is. How can you make progress if you can't see things as they are with "unclouded eyes"? Btw, I have read Ashley Herzog's weekly columns and have to say that she either "hits big" or "misses big" with her incendiary articles.
I didn't mean it was funny in real life. Killing and robbing people in GTA is fun but its not the same in real life...obviously.
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Sure, I know its funny in a movie when anyone gets pimp-slapped. I was just stating a pro-female stance so when my fiancee reads this thread I will be able to have sexual intercourse sometime in the next 10 years.
Hypothetical: Man makes $250,000 annually as a CEO/Doctor/Lawyer etc Woman makes $80,000 annually as a Scientist/Author/Engineer etc The man and woman get married and want to have children Who should sacrifice their lifestyle to raise the first child, father or mother? I just wish I could find a woman who would raise the children, and be a good cook.
I've just read through this thread and to Piggytails I have to say Lighten up Francis. I'm all for women's equality, heck considering I teach women martial arts I'm for women's empowerment. That said I think you're getting a little too worked up over nothing. Sure there are some dumbass jokes but I highly doubt most of these guys seriously expect or even want to see women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. For the OP. That does sound like a serious situation. I think instead of feeling some sort of backlash towards feminists there might be something more going on and you probably need to sit down and have a long talk with your wife.
My husband takes care of me and I love it. I don't need to make lots of money or a career to feel like i'm worth something.
hi rocketsjudoka, I always respect your posts. Incidentally, I used to be regular judoka. Even competed from time to time. And imho, sports is the ultimate stage of celebrating differences. Simply put, imho it's undeniably obvious that there are differences that come with athletes. With men and women, rightfully or wrongfully, I subscribe to that notion. Just as 100+kg men are going to fight differently from 81 kg men, so too are women of 78 kg and men of 100+kg. There's no shame in it. Yet this idea of equality, imho, gets perverted to the point that some people seem to believe that: "YEAH, we'll ALL equal, and we should ALL be treated the same..." Yet anyone who even remotely respects 'differences" amongst people - case in point - physical differences, is rationally going to conclude that we can't POSSIBLY BE TREATED 100% EQUALLY for the very reason that NO WE ARE NO THE SAME. (and thankfully I might add) Right to vote? Rights as a citizen? Rights as a human being? Yes, yes, and yes. Those are all social/political conventions. But where there's meritocracy to be considered, and it ain't just about brainpower, but where PHYSICALLY, men might have an advantage, I just don't see what the shame is that men be viewed, and consequently, treated differently. Vice versa, there ar things that men simply can't do, like give birth. So here too, there's no shame that women be treated differently. It's just bizarre to me, b/c imho, this who feminist thing is largely a DEVELOPED WORLD problem. Rarely, if at all, do you see it in emerging economies let alone 3rd world countries. (This is coming from a above average world traveller btw.) And with respect to the thread I started, I just don't get people who can't/won't acknowledge that: "YES, people ARE different, and that's alright and should be celebrated. Instead, I feel like these feminist views tend to boil down to either: 1. Trying to tear down the man as the oppressor, psychological or otherwise OR 2. Trying their darndest to BE a MAN like the fictional (or not so fictional) Samantha from Sex and the City. Just bizarre... totally bizarre... angrybutnotatrocketsjudokaSAGE
Ok guys I'll tell you exactly what my Literature teacher (female teacher) told me: It doesn't matter what women do or say they will always be inferior to men.
Female and male are NOT treated as equal in America. If a man murder his wife and a murder her husband in identical fashion the man is more likely to get convicted than the woman. The woman will probably get to walk for committing a crime of passion.
The Caucasian American women, they really do have a rough go of it with. They endure so much hardship in their lives, its admirable the adversity they face and the way they fight through it...we should learn to appreciate all what we have Signed, - All Saudi Arabian women who are prohibited from driving, from leaving their homes without their husbands, forced to wear heavy veils covering their faces, walk behind their husbands at all times, and are generally never given the benefit of the doubt in anything they say or do. Its recommended! <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8injvP1lJ8I&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8injvP1lJ8I&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
No, I don't think I'm getting worked up over nothing. It has to start somewhere, that men respect that women should have equal access to the same things they do. Yes, we can vote and we are citizens, etc. but we don't have the same opportunities and privileges that men have. For example, women make .70 cents for every dollar that men do and CEOs of the biggest companies today are comprised mostly of men as compared to the number of women CEOs. I understand that there are inherent differences between men and women but how do physical differences between men and women come to women being underpaid as compared to their male counterparts? I think that this change of mindset starts with these stupid little jokes. They may just be jokes, but I'm sure some people really do mean them. There is an underlying current within them. I dare all you men to take up this conversation with your daughters, sisters, wives, mothers, etc. who actually give a **** and who actually mean something to you. Ask their opinion on it and ask if it is fair that even though they may work their butts off their entire life, they [on average] still won't make as much as the average man merely for what gender they are. Not all women are the same however. Not everyone feels the need to take up feminist views and not everyone wants to stay home with the children while their husbands work. I disagree that all feminists are NOT just for equality. There are many types of feminists (liberal, marxist, radical, cultural, postmodern, etc) and you shouldn't stereotype against them because of those few experiences that you have had against very radical ones. I don't believe that all feminists are trying to tear down the oppressor, psychologically or otherwise because I know that I'm not. So stop stereotyping! They are all different! We're trying, or at least I'm trying, to make you understand why women have these views. I just don't think this conversation means anything to the average man. I mean, of course, it's not like he's being oppressed and on average, paid less because of what gender he is. I sometimes feel like it's useless trying to explain this. It feels hopeless that the average man would understand You're a man, and of course you wouldn't understand, right? You don't see it because it doesn't happen to you. You'd have to be a female to understand and you'd have to be in her shoes to see what she experiences. That said, I'm done with this thread and I'm sorry for hijacking your thread OP. This should be in the D&D. I'm usually a quiet person and am rarely outspoken about things. I can only hope that someone here has come to an understanding that there is an actual legitimate reason why there are feminists [and there are many different types of them!] and that they are not only here because they feel the need to BE a MAN or to try and oppress men themselves. Maybe you just don't understand because the same things doesn't happen to you because you're not female.
I like feminists, especially when they let me drive their Harley, but I especially like them in softball, they are really good players. DD
Ironic, coming from a feminist who just claimed, a few posts up, that most men are worse than what you find on this board.
Again... wasn't this about dude's wife over-reacting? And now a self confessed feminist is taking bad jokes that kids on the board post as evidence that statistics and dogma need be quoted to prove that it's ok that feminism exists to stand against the inhumanity of the current state of our social struggle between genders in this country? Come on. You're better than that. It's a bbs. Don't take it so seriously. Yes, you make valid points, but yammering about it and telling everyone how all men make more than women, ceo this and that... making generalizations... it's just not productive to your cause, whether you're right or not, and the points are debatable to a certain extent anyway. (no thank you) Look. I'm ok, you're ok, that there's how it is. right? I think OP probably meant "Why did she freak out on me" more than "Why are feminists insane"... but now you're giving him ammunition he didn't need. that's just my guess. Sage also makes some interesting points.
I read this post a while ago on slashdot and it resonated with me quite a bit. No I am not married to an asian woman, nor do I think the ethnicities mentioned have anything to do with the point of the quotation. Take it as you will.
If you were really a feminist, wouldn't you think it's ok to hit a woman in any situation where it's ok to hit a man?
Why do people continue to quote this line that has been shown to be FALSE. Women make less than men on average because women are more likely to go into low paying fields. For example, women dominate the field of elementary education, which is one of the lowest paying fields a college educated person can go into, while men dominate engineering, which is a very lucrative field.
