What's the best deal someone could offer for Harden in the offseason?

Wiggins. I'd do it straight up right now

 

Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb.

 

So he is lazy and mentally wake because of not enough talent on this team? lol

 

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I think he needs a great coach that he rly respects to teach him to play off the ball and to care more (b/c the talent is there) or make him our staring PG. Honestly we wont get a player with the same talent in return. We need another scorer to help him on those off nights.

 

But Minny wouldn't. Let that sink in. Harden's value is sinking, because his gaudy numbers are fool's gold, just like T-Mac's and just like Iverson's.

Let me throw out a reason to dump Harden. Other than Dwight, which star free agent will want to join the Rockets, aka Houston Hero Balls?

 

Its sad honestly, all the Harden homers are scratching themselves nervously as we speak.

 

Star free agents don't like Rockets Organization.

 

Just out of curiosity... why?

He's inefficient (.519 TS%), poor 3point shooter (25.3%), low assist total (1.8/game), has a negative assist to turnover ratio (2.8 TO/1.8 assists), poor rebounder (3.8/gm), average Ft shooter (73.4%), 21st worse defensive rating (111 Drtg) of any player in the league and 42nd worst Defensive win shares (0.5) in the entire league.

How would that make us better?

 

What are we suppose to let sink in? That you made a ridiculous claim and that we're suppose to believe it just because you said it?

Harden is fools gold despite leading us to the WCFs? What does that make Wiggins then?

Can you guarantee that any team will definitely acquire a star FA this off season? Is anyone begging to play with Curry? I'll play your game. Other than LMA, what star FA has gone to play with Tim Duncan in SA?

 

Dwight led us to the WCF, and without looking at the context you'd overlook the fact that the trip there was somewhat of a fluke. It was actually the benching of the supposed "leader" that even allowed us to get past the clipps. Austin freaking Rivers was outplaying him upto a point.

 

We wouldn't have had that Game 7 at home if we didn't have MVP Harden last season.

 

We wouldn't have beaten the mavs or clippers if we didn't have Dwight's presence and effort last season.

 

There wouldn't have been any playoffs if Houston didn't have James Harden. Everyone who wants to trade him obviously forgot about the 14th pick purgatory Houston went thru. It's silly. You don't trade a 26 year old star because he's having what would amount to 1 bad year. You give him the proper coaching he needs. And don't kid yourself if Houston puts Harden on the block eveyteam in the league will be calling.

 

Here's the confusing part. Harden posts 27.2 points, 5.7 reb, 7.5 AST, 1.6 steals, 4.5 TO, 91.6 FT%, 62% TS% in last years playoffs yet he didn't lead us. It was Howard who lead us averaging 16.4 points, 14 reb, 1.2 AST, 1.4 stl, , 2.2 TO, 2.3 blk, 41.2 ft%, 54.6. TS%. Ok sure.

Now this year everything is Harden's fault because he is the star and winning is on his shoulders.

You can't have it both ways. If it wasn't Harden that led us to WCF , then its obviously not all on him this year. If people want to say that its all Harden's fault when we lose then at least be consistent and give him credit when we win.

So if you truly believe that Dwight led us to the WCF last season then do you also believe that Dwight has failed to lead us this year and that he's the primary reason that we are just a couple of games over .500?

As far as Austin Rivers, he had 5 points on 2 of 8 shooting in that game 6 that you mentioned so I think your memory is faulty.

 

Chicken brothers, cheke and FTW don't let facts get in their way. Push the narrative at all costs, ignore anything that refutes the narrative as delusional stat picking and repeat.

And if you weren't aware stats don't matter for Harden. They are empty and meaningless. Always. Now everybody else, their stats are for the good of the team.

 

Harden's sexy stats doesn't mean he was leading us. Due to the way we play, he actually slowed us down.

I truly believe Harden got us more win even than Curry could have got us, and Harden should be last year's MVP, but he did it with the sacrifice of the team. Harden puts a limit on this team. With that amount of usage to Curry, you bet he posts 40/5/10 + much less TO.

We need to give the ball back to our PG, and let Harden do his thing situationally. In that way he would be truely leading us.

 

And we would have beaten them without Harden?

Vs Dallas

Howard 16.6 pts. 13.8 reb, 1.2 ast, 3 blk.
Harden 28.4 pts., 3.8 reb, 7.8 AST

Vs LAC
Howard 17.6 pts, 13.9 reb, 1.4 AST, 2.1 bulk
Harden 25.4 pts. 5.6 reb , 8.1 AST.

We don't win without either guy. They both have their roles to fill but whether you want to admit it or not, Harden is what makes this team go.

You seem to think that Dwight had a monstrous playoff series against LAC. He played well and did what we needed but its not like he dominated DeAndre Jordan ala Hakeem vs Robinson. Dwight was a little better than Jordan but he also had a 7 point, 6 rebound stinker in a game 4 loss that put us in a 3-1 hole.

You can keep focusing on that 4th quarter of game 6 but just realize that if Harden doesn't post a 26/11/10 triple double in game 5, then there is no game 6.

 

You can't bail on Harden now, you wouldn't get equal or close to equal value. Have to let it play out. What we really need is some true shooters to help this team.

 

Honestly those lakers trade proposals are pretty ridiculous - russell, randle and the #1 pick? whats going to be left for LA then? More importantly I doubt Harden is traded from the Rockets, but in this hypothetical world


if I were to deal with LA i would ask for this

Clarkson, Randle, Hibbert - two future first (2017 onwards) for Harden and TJones.

TJones becomes dead weight with Randle. Clarkson is a good young SG that can help offset some of the loss of Harden's scoring (but none of his playmaking). Hibbert would be the good defensive center off the bench to backup Dwight to allow the Rockets still run out the Dwight/Capela lineup.



The BIGGEST BIGGEST BIGGEST BIGGEST (BIGGEST) problem with trading Harden is that this team literally has no offensive schemes or sets. Getting someone who can handle and run the offense the way Harden does is not going to happen. So the Rockets are going to go straight to the crapper if any deal for Harden happens as we don't get a top 10 player in return (which wont happen as a team with a top 10 player would only acquire Harden to pair him with the other top 10 player)

The only way to fix is that is actually get a coaching staff that will put in actual plays and sets. Just seeing some other teams (and i dont even mean Warriors/Spurs) be able to run plays and get easy buckets just makes me so upset watching the Rockets play at times.