Sadly, I actually agree with egn for once. If results aren't good this year as the original poster said, that means this team (ie. a playoff calibre team) under Steve can't win. Then what the hell do we keep him around for.
QUIT POSTIN THIS CRAP!!! MAN I CAN'T STAND FRANCIS HATERS!!! UNLESS YOU ARE GETTING ANY ONE OF THESE GUYS IN RETURN I WOULDN'T TRADE FRANCIS: 1. SHAQ 2. KOBE 3. DUNCAN 4. T-MAC 5. NOWIZTKI 6. GARNETT STOP HATING AND STOP WANTING TO TRADE FRANCIS CAUSE IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. SOMETIMES I WISH HE WOULD GET TRADED TO ANOTHER TEAM/CITY THAT WOULD APPRECIATE HIM SO I CAN BECOME A FAN OF THAT TEAM CAUSE H_TOWN JUST WHINES AND CRIES ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING!!!
Certainly this is all hypothetical. I also wonder if Steve's happy with the game plan, but I can't read into anything. I would almost rather trade Steve than Cat because the latter shows he likes it here, and he and Ming get along well (although you have to subpoena Cat for him to pass the ball). Nothing against Steve, but he could fetch so much in return. Steve + EG for Jermaine O'Neal and Jamaal Tinsley?
do you think that theres a team that has fans that dont whine about their underperforming players? and i think that your exposure to "h-town" whining and crying about everything is basically because this city has the biggest and best forum for discussion. when your team underperforms, what reactions do you think are going to be the most common? "gee wiz nice try this year guys. great effort!" ... only in magical ideal fairy land i think said team is going to be open for critisism. the longer this team sucks, the closer francis gets to being expendable. this thread is awesome btw. we have a great trading comodity that we are pretending is no longer untouchable. now what could we theoretically get for it?
Actually, the better trading commodity is Yao Ming, smaller contract, better marketing appeal, oh, and fortunately the rest of the country doesn't know that he sucks yet, which they obviously do of Francis, and since we will eventually decide that he sucks and needs to be traded we might as well get started, the sooner we can then trade who we traded him for. No, I think we could get much more for Yao's 13 points a game than for Francis' 22. Somebody fire up Real GM and lets go.
Scratch Dallas from any move involving Francis if for no other reason than that city (Mavs fans in particular) think he is way overrated, and any time the topic of SF comes up, the callers there tear him up. Not to mention that their starting guards are BOTH better than SF. No way in hell Dallas would ever entertain the thought.
I was just stating that Francis is immature as a player like McGrady and O'Neal. We all know they all have had the talent. It will take some growing up for Francis to become great. He has to really committ to putting the team first, support the system and do what's asked. His age doesn't matter he hasn't shown the maturity to turn his talent into greatness. But if he does mature and commits to greatness he could do it. I think Hakeem really had that kind of change after he went on his religious pilgramage. I don't see any signs yet that Francis sees any need to heed the advice he got from Oscar Robertson. Maybe we will soon see a more developed player. If anyone doesn't think he has the skills to be really special in the NBA hasn't really seen him in the zone. When his shot is on and he's aggressively driving into the lane he is real tough. I do agree he only has the next 4-5 years to get his act together. All he has to do is make it his Franchise job to make the other players better and to be the leader to implement JVG's system.
So why the hell did we draft him in the first place? We could have just saved ourselves the trouble and traded the 1st overall to NY or Toronto, then we'd be right back where we were: Francis and Mobley doing their than (ie. not winning) Best of all, no annoying Yao only fans. Everybody can just stop whining.
I don't think the Bird man will do it, but if you take their trouble boy away, then you might have a deal. Francis & Cat & EG Tinsley & Artest & O'Neal. Indy gets better backcourt, the Rockets end up with better front court.
What do you want from Francis? How much do you want him to improve from 20ppg 6rpg 6apg? The season hasn't even started and we are talking about trading our star player. STEVE AND YAO ARE ABOUT TO PLAY THEIR 2ND YEAR TOGETHER. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP BASHING OUR PLAYERS AND START TO SUPPORT OUR TEAM. You can't put 5 guys on a team and expect them to gell together right away. I WANT TO OFFICIALLY BRING BACK OUR OLD THEME: BELIEVE!!
Before Yao = no playoffs after yao= no playoffs Let's get something for him now while he's overvalued. We could probably get vince carter and chris bosh for him.
Is that how you plan to use our exception? Overvalued or not he's a rook, and a pretty damn good one at that.
how the hell are you going to use that as an excuse to trade yao ming? just because of his rookie season, he didnt lead us into the playoffs, which by the way we were close to anyway?!?!?! thats just plain stupid to say that...give better reasons Yao is what this team needed and we should be appreciative that he is here, and hope he will be here for many years to come
If the Rockets had traded the number one for the picks that would have become Amare and Caron Butler, they would have made the playoffs last year. In fact, they would have a much better lineup. Four years from now, we will be looking back and kicking ourselves for not doing that deal. Heck, I'm already wishing we had. And before anyone says anything, I don't hate Yao. I think he's a great guy with a refreshingly great personality. I think he will be a very good possibly great player. I think his future is extremely bright. I do not however think that he will end up being one of the all time greats. I do think the Rockets would have been better off adding two possible all star players instead of one.
Enter the glorious trade exception. Now it no longer matters that Francis is BYC. We can trade him at his actual value. This is an interesting exercise to see what Francis is really worth. So many people throw around things like top 10 player, but look at the reasonable deals proposed in here. Arena and Brown. Dunleavy and Richardson. These are not the kind of players a top 10 guy gets for you.
This post has so many flaws it's not funny. First of all, there's no guarantee that we would have drafted EVEN ONE of them. Amare wasn't considered anything good until he started playing. Secondly, there's no guarantee (actually I would go as far as saying no chance) that either one of them being good on this team. Because Amare would be our only inside presence on offence and he wouldn't get nearly as many open looks (1 on 1 coverage) as he does now. He also would be playing in our ISO system. Caron shoots like what, 40%? Why would we give him shots to waste when we already don't have enough to give, being a rookie and all, not to mention both Steve and Cat shoot better? Finally, Yao can potentially be one of the best ever. Amare and Caron don't even come close to that. Not to mention I don't know how you're gonna pull off a 3 way 1st round pick trade. Even if you can, the best you're looking would probably be Dunleavy and Nene.
