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What would have happened if we kept Stephen Silas?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Mar 1, 2024.

  1. DVauthrin

    DVauthrin Member

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    The Rockets have young talent, but the fact is their young talent is not consistent enough on a nightly basis to beat teams with multiple, well-established stars. In the West alone, Denver, Minnesota, OKC, Dallas, New Orleans, both LA teams, Sacramento, Phoenix, Golden State and a healthy Memphis team have better top-end talent than the Rockets and more of it.

    One starter on the entire team has a positive on/off rating for the season (VanVleet), and he’s not a top 50 player in the NBA. That’s a big problem. Sengun is considered the team’s best building block and he is a -.2 for the season (113.5 - 113.7).

    The player with the best net on/off rating and their best defender, Tari Eason, has only played in 22 games.

    The Rockets are 17-18 against the Western Conference and 20-10 at home. I highly doubt either of those records are better under Stephen Silas, and I’d bet they are much worse.

    Right now, the Rockets aren’t quite ready to be a playoff team in the Western Conference.
     
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  2. Dobbizzle

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    We'd 100% be worse under Silas. And the reason we suck despite the defense is our offense is absolute pure trash. Some of that is on players (Green especially more than others, but there's nobody actually putting up big offensive numbers either) and some of that is on the coach not being **** when it comes to attacking. Ime's almost the anti-D'antoni, all defense, absolute trash offense.
     
  3. Easy

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    Silas would have challenged the foul on Sengun last night and won.
     
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  4. topfive

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    Obviously, it's 100% Jalen's fault. Probably something to do with the painted fingernails.
     
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    Or Silas would have benched Sengün altogether and never had the chance to challenge.

    Lob threat and his sweetheart guards.

     
  6. shakes05

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    Udoka isn't out there missing open 3 point shots or missing lay-ups.
    We rank #28 in 3pt % and Sengun is our primary player on Offense...easy game plan for our opponents: crowd the lanes, force Sengun into difficult shot and force kickout to 3 where statistics shows that's our weakness.
    The End.
     
  7. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    You guys are not being sincere here. We were 27th under Silas. You add Brooks, FVV, Landale, Green and Holiday. You cut who we cut. You have the owner and GM suddenly insisting on wins after they have demanded losses. You have the young guys 1 year older.

    It can't be just as bad as last season. If you're saying we wouldn't even move up 1 spot, you're lying to yourself or you never believed we were tanking (which is by far the stupidest position).

    How much better would we be? 26th? 25th? Make a case. We're 23rd right now. I read a poster mentioning net differential - this doesn't matter because ranking is ranking.

    I think a lot of people are afraid to confront the fact that we went from SILAS garbage coaching to Udoka and spent $60m per season and we only moved up a few spots in the league rankings. We're not much better right now.

    I disliked Silas but honestly I have 0 doubt he can achieve roughly the same record as Udoka. We'd be a better offensive team and a lesser defensive team, but the net difference is not big at all.
     
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  8. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I don't agree with you here, but for the thought exercise, I'm just imagining Udoka inherited this team.

    I think FVV was going wherever they offered the most money, that has always been his angle.
     
  9. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    No one on this planet is pining for him. Silas finished 27th. You give him $60m per year and a GM that insists on winning and he still finishes 27th? That's delusional. No matter how bad the coach is, you add 2 top 5 players to his roster, they will improve.
     
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    Can’t believe we got people even entertaining this idea.

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    We’d still be 12th in the West.
     
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    If Stone would've kept Silas.....we'd be State Champs!!! :cool:


    Go Rockets!!!
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  13. SamFisher

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    I'm loving all the counterfactual threads these days.

    What would happen if we ended getting Victor...


    ..... Oladipo?

    There's still a chance Daryl. Do something!
     
  14. clos4life

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    Stupidest idea I've heard in this forum, and it's a lot of them. I would trade anyone on this team before bringing back the worst coach in Rockets history. And I mean anyone.
     
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    Sengun would be coming off the bench, probably over Jock.

    Jalen would be getting 40 minutes a night to average 25 on 45%TS.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Who ****ing cares?

    DD
     
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  17. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I know it’s hard to face guys but we have only slightly improved despite an organizational/lockerroom cultural transformation and spending a significant amount of money on bringing in several excellent veteran role players.

    No one is trying to tell you Silas is any good. We all know he sucked. What I’m demonstrating is Udoka has been only slightly better with all the ammo he could’ve possibly asked for. If he is unable to inspire this team again for the remaining games, there are going to be some clear strengths and some big question marks around him.

    It’s too bad, at the halfway point of the season we were blowing last seasons team away even with Green and Landale playing like crap. We need him to get that fire back.

    Either that or Tari Eason must be the franchise player.
     
  18. pmac

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    I think Udoka is a clear step above Silas as a coach.

    But, if we had kept Silas the organization would have just done what they wanted instead of cater to the coach and his plan. They would have signed Harden to a 4 year near max and probably signed a young wing that can shoot. I think that would have resulted in a far worse defense, a better offense, and a better overall record.

    The issue is that eventually Harden would decline (and so would our offense) and we still would be terrible defensively. Then, as our young players are improving we would be a mediocre team.

    Udoka has instilled more discipline around effort, that's why the team has improved defensively. If we're honest, no one pegged this roster to be great on either side of the ball, that's why predictions were really low before the season started. A coach can't just will a team to a great offense when the talent just isn't there.

    That being said, Udoka has plenty of room to improve his offense. It's just not the reason the team sucks.

    Imagine we have the best coach in the nba, where would we be with this roster? Maybe we move up to 10th at best? When you start comparing us against the rosters of these other western conference teams it's very tough to credibly place us much higher than we are in the standings.
     
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  19. GOATuve

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    I wouldn't trust him to take out our trash.
     
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  20. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Agree with your post except this part. In the exact same way Udoka (or Thibs for example) can get a better defense out of the same parts than another coach can, there are coaches who would get more offense out of this roster. The best coaches are good on both sides of the ball and in some years their offense or defense will lag behind the other because of the roster - I get that.

    However, if for example MDA was the coach of this team, no matter what else we would have sucked at the offense would certainly be better than 24th.

    I think Udoka is in the elite of elite when it comes to coaching defense and how far he's taken this team defensively is still stunning to me. I totally agree that the cultural changes to this team will carry over in value to future years. However, on a net basis, this season has been at the lower end of expectations when it comes to improvement after letting Udoka handpick his staff and $70m/year in player salaries.

    Think of it another way: let's say Udoka was only allowed to bring in 4 x $10m/season players whose character he approves of. $40m/season and we have cap space in summer 2024. He's allowed to reset the culture and instill more fundamentals. He insists on the defense coming first. All the same stuff. Would we not have expected this improvement from 27th to 22nd? Then why did we spend $70m instead of $40m?

    Think of it yet another way: Udoka was considered an incredible hire. Let's say we hired someone below average like a Doc Rivers or something. Wouldn't we have still expected to go from 27th to 22nd? Yes we would.

    I graded Udoka an A at the roughly halfway point of the season. Since then to be honest it's been less than a C-. On average, he's been very average.
     

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