What will you do if your choice doesn't win next week?

If Bush is selected again, I will start planning my move back to Australia on November 3rd. I'm completely serious. The America I love will be dead. I honestly feel that if Bush wins, democracy loses. Lost in a mass-media induced hypnosis, the vast majority of Americans will sit idly by as this once great nation implodes, while the concerned minority will be powerless.


I cannot and will not live in a nation that re-elects a criminal like Bush to the Presidency. While it will only be a matter of time before countries like Australia are swept up in the aftermath the death of American democracy, it should at least provide a few years of intellectual and emotional relief. It’s been a nice 15 year-long vacation in America, but no more if W returns. I’m going home.

 

so ZRB....you're a big fan of Howard????

 

That's it, I'm moving to Canada or Holland. Probably Holland.

 

Shrug, and hope there is a good choice in the next election.

Either way, it won't be a disaster, but I hope whoever wins will listen to both sides of issues and use caution before making big decisions.

 

If Bush loses, I think this will mark the degeneration of our once great oasis of freedom into yet another seething socialist hellhole dominated by the lazy idiot masses bent on plunder from the pockets of the producers. With Kerry picking activist socialist morons like himself for the soon-to-be Supreme Court openings, we can kiss 2nd Amendment and property rights goodbye and say hello to ever-more confiscatory taxes and economic doom.

We can also enjoy being led about by world opinion as we seek to pass Kerry's global test while our adversaries whisper BOHICA (Bend Over Here It Comes Again), BOHICA, BOHICA in our ears and we do nothing. I don't think our nation can survive such imcompetence at the top that a Kerry administration would represent. The Roman Empire fell eventually as a series of weak emperors held the throne of the Caesars and we will do the same. Everything good and right with the world will collapse into a new dark age thanks to globalist, nutless wonders like SKerry, who lack the courage to even acknowledge the evil that threatens our very survival.

But possibly, hopefully, sanity will reign and we will get a president willing to fight a REAL war on terror, not some contrived lobbing of cruise missiles hither and thither. This election is a referendum on the survival of western civilization as we know it. A vote for Kerry is a nail in the coffin of that institution.

This is from a letter written by the original libertarian, Dr. John Hospers, on why libertarians (and the rest of the country for that matter) have no choice but to vote for GWB on election day.

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The extent to which republicans live in a fantasy world is horribly disturbing.

 

No, the disturbed folks are the ones who think Bush is some kind of criminal. All of the looniness in this campaign has slithered from the Left, my friend. The Michael Moores, the Howard Deans and other socialist, globalist nutjob cowards are all on your side. So go back to Australia. G'Day mate!

 

Vote For Me?

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I will go back to Australia. You, however, will wake up one day realizing that every freedom you once cherished is gone.

Look, it has already been established that Bush supporters live in a different world than the rest of us. I see no reason to continue arguing. You have NO grip on reality.

 

God, this is so ridiculous. You claim John SKerry is a friend of freedom, yet he intends to:
A. curtail the right to bear arms.
B. raise taxes.
C. Involve the Federal Govt. in more and more areas of personal life.
D. Surrender our national defense to a "global test."
E. Go after dissent against his almight reign (look at his actions toward the Swifties and "Stolen Valor" and tell me that isn't totalitarian).
No my friend, the only enemy of liberty here is John SKerry and his socialist ilk who seek dominion. Have fun dodging fierce snakes and salties!

 

What am I going to do? Post rants on internet forums.

 

Oh, this is too easy.

God, this is so ridiculous. You claim John SKerry is a friend of freedom, yet he intends to:
A. curtail the right to bear arms.


You don't need an assault rifle. Sorry, you don't. While I personally think that the 2nd amendment is outdated, and that guns should be banned for all non military/police, Kerry is obviously not going to do anything of the sort.




B. raise taxes.

On the rich. And so he should. The rich are very lucky to have money AND live here. This is a great country for the wealthy. They should have to pay big money to live here.

You see, in order to have an effective government, you need taxes. That's how the government makes money. Clearly this country does not have enough money right now, hence the deficit. Solution? Raise taxes for a start. It's pretty basic stuff.


C. Involve the Federal Govt. in more and more areas of personal life.

Yeah, why would anyone want cheap healthcare? I find this to be the most laughable claim of all. No president has increased the size of the federal covernment, curtailed civil liberties, and invaded the privacy of Americans more than Bush. He has done the exact opposite of what republicans are supposed to stand for.

D. Surrender our national defense to a "global test."

This is a prime example of Republicans twisting Kerry's words. Kerry is not going to f***ing let "France and Germany" decide how America defends itself. Wanting to involve the world in a "global war on terror" seems to make intuitive sense, wouldn't you say?

All the global test means is that America will not enter into an illegal preemptive war. He might actually rely on REAL evidence when deciding how to use troops.


E. Go after dissent against his almight reign (look at his actions toward the Swifties and "Stolen Valor" and tell me that isn't totalitarian).


Defending yourself against jealous liars is not totalitarian.


The funny thing about republicans, including Bush himself, is that they attribute all of Bush's traits to Kerry. Like saying that Kerry was using scare tactics. HA!

 

bama, do you have to post stuff like this?? All you're going to accomplish is to get any thinking person, from either side, or, god forbid (assuming there are still some, and I hope there are) those in the middle, to dismiss your opinions as a mad rant, with pictures of the required spittle flying in all directions. Or, even worse, you'll get someone, who might not post that way ordinarily, to reply in the same way, or worse.

Does that do anyone a damn bit of good?
You can post better stuff than this, because I've seen you do it before. Here are a couple of threads that could use your input...

http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85766
http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85669

I'd honestly like to know what your take is on the failure to blast Zarqawi to bloody bits when we could, in the first thread, and what FB heard, through his brother, from retired Marine General Jack Sheehan about Iraq, along with a recent column I found from David Hackworth. You're an ex-Marine... give us a different kind of red meat.



Keep D&D Civil!!
we can do it!

(and it doesn't have to be boring)

 

At least you admit to being a gun-grabber and feel safer with only criminals and govt. (not much difference between the two) with weapons. Glad to see you that you surrender your right to defend yourself to others.

So you think that they are LUCKY and deserve to surrender more of their earnings to the likes of vote-buying politicians who spend that money to keep themselves in power? God, you are sick. No doubt about it. Our govt. already sucks up 50 percent of everything to keep itself going. Last year, the budget was 2.2 TRILLION WITH A ****ING T. Do we need the Imperial Federal Govt. to suck up that much money that could be in play in the economy? No. And besides, those the govt. considers "rich" are people whose COMBINED earnings are 200-grand a year, which in many areas, is not really that much money.

We will not get "cheap" healthcare under SKerry, whose running mate Edwards and the rest of his scumbag, trial lawyer, ambulance-chasing whores masquerading as human beings have done more to raise costs than anyone. Socialized medicine will bankrupt our country and destroy what was the world's best healthcare system. Healthcare is a SERVICE not a right.

He said it. He's also said that the death of American troops fighting a unilateral war under our flag would not be honorable, while dying while fighting a war under the banner of the UN would be. He is no friend of our national sovereignty.

Suing people who object to your lies is squelching dissent. One of his spokestrolls already said that "Sinclair better watch out." That's not suppression? That's a ****ing threat, hoss. Your logic is weaker than the Cardinals' starting pitching. Have fun down under and no......you and your socialist ilk will not be missed. G'Day!

 

Amen my friend. You are right on the mark. I NEVER thought that I would vote for a Democrat for President, but I am happy that I voted for one today (I voted early).

I love the GOP and that is the party that I have supported and will continue to support. The vast majority of the people I voted for today were Republicans. However, George W. Bush is the antithesis of what the GOP has stood for.

You can have your opinions on Bush and you can think that he is the greatest thing since soap on a rope. That's your right. But I do not see how people can say that Bush is carrying the legacy of great Republicans like Nixon (minus Watergate) and Reagan. That's just ridiculous.

 

My God!! Get a damn life. You are taking all of this WAY too seriously. Calling people names and making this personal is not the way to go. We are all adults here and we should be able to disagree civilly.

I support Kerry in this election and I will be the first to say that Kerry is far from perfect. But do not assume that Bush is the ONLY choice in this election. Bush has just as far from being the ideal president. This election is not going to be like Reagan-Mondale or Nixon-McGovern. If Bush was the perfect president, with an opponent as weak as Kerry, this would be a repeat of 1984. There is a reason why the race is neck and neck. A lot of people (myself included) do not like Bush (and with good reason). I am sure you understand that.

I just hope that one of the sides does not pull a dirty trick to derail the other. George H.W. Bush lost in 1992 solely because of a dirty trick by the Democrats. Bush was leading by at least 5 points in every poll until Lawrence Walsh announced two days before the election that he would indict Cap Weinberger . That killed Bush. I hope something like that doesn't happen again.

 

Does anybody know if he really is a paranoid psychopath or if he is just having a good time on the internet?

 

This is what happens when arguments are lost by people living in a fantasy world.

Your notions of how a 21st century democratic government should be run are absurd. Your lack of compassion for the less fortunate is depressing. If you couldn't afford healthcare, I think you'd want a change in the health care system.

But there is no sense in trying to convince you. My attempts will only make you cling to your distorted world view more.

 

In some ways, I am glad GW Bush is our president, simply due to the fact that I am now aware of the fact that about 40 of our country is made up of either completely ignorant, or highly delusional individuals. Amazing.

 

Just to say something, the payment for interest on the current debt is almost more than ALL the major social programs combined. Most of the debt were compiled during the cold war arms race. Then the current war with Iraq is raising the costs up to that rate. So while it's unpopular for a politician to raise taxes, we need to reaize that it's not the social programs that we can't afford, its the debt. This is the dilema, pay a lot now, or pay even more in the future.