What will it take to make you seriously consider an EV?

Specs sure, experience and quality (and well...quality of experience), not so much.

This reminds me of all the "PCs have better specs than Macs".....end of the day it's more than specs man. Or checkboxes.

I have owned a Honda Pilot and the luxury version MDX
Own a Camry and owned Lexus
Owned Audis and now Porsches. (driven plenty of VWs also)

There's a reason people buy the luxury variant.

 

No one is uncalm or triggered, your argument is pretty weak and anyone that has ever owned a Lexus and a Toyota will tell you they are completely different worlds. Because they are. Your argument for some reason is to put Lexus and Toyota on par on the basis that Lexus shares parts, even engines and chassis on some cases. Well you are wrong, they aren't on par. They aren't the same. They don't cost the same and they don't resell the same. They don't feel the same and they don't drive the same.

Every single Japanese luxury brand whether Acura, Infiniti or Lexus will use parts from heir parent companies. This is due to cost, like you said even Porsche uses similar chassis engines and parts but they feel different. Well yeah they are totally different cars with totally different end goals and even the same exact engines will be tuned differently.

The Mark 5 Toyota Supra has a BMW Z4 engine. And some claim its not a real Supra because of it. Wrong, Toyota used the Z4 platform and then made a new car with better performance.



Just because some cars share certain things does not make them equal, just because you can get a Toyota Avalon or Highlander more equipped than an ES or RX does not make them equal or on par. Yes you can feel good driving a fully equipped Venza or Avalon and convince yourself that you are driving a Lexus esque car but that's not true.

 

Exactly, in many cases both cars can have the same exact features like leather seats and technology but when you drive them its a whole different experience. To begin with luxury cars or variants have a totally different approach to sound deadening and come with way more than their shared chassis. Luxury cars are going to have less cabin noise, less plastic rattle, better plastics and leather in general. Turn up the stereo on any Lexus regardless of whether you opted for the high end sound equipment and its going to sound great. The same goes for pretty much the rest of the car.

Oh but my RC had the same power windows switches and seatbelts as a Camry so I guess I was driving a rebadged Toyota the whole time...

 

The Cadillac Cimarron was hand built in Milan unlike Chevy Cavaliers that were massed produced in the US and Mexico.

You get what you pay for.

 

Swiss look to ban use of electric cars over the winter to save energy

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/1...y-n514785?mc_cid=232c44ba14&mc_eid=b68ef2236c

 

One of the problems in that part of the world is that they are reliant on hydropower but the drought has cut down their capacity. So, naturally, the answer is to keep doing things that will fix a drought in place and make it worse. EVs are perhaps the most visible part of the transition, but we need to massively change many of our current systems and we need to do it quickly.

 

Not sure if this has been done earlier in the thread, but this is my view from Australia - apologies in advance for the metric system....

My parents just bought a Hyundai Kona gasoline car for A$ 29,500 - the cheapest electric version is A$ 58,000. I won't bore you with all the math, but at current prices of gas & electricity, it would take about 18 years to payback, so on economics alone it is a non-starter.

I have solar panels at my home, and we live in a great location for solar generation - my system is 6.6KW with a 5MW inverter - on the best of the best days in summer, I generate about 10kW/h of excess energy- which would be enough for about 75km in the Kona - but of course, that only works for a few months a year and would require me to home in the day with my car, which I'm not - but assuming I get 10kW/h a day for the electric car from solar it will still take 12 years to pay back.

 

For a while now I've been wondering if the use of the red, black, and white color schemes by "conservative" websites/ news outlets is intentional. It's something I mostly associate with the KKK & White power groups when the right wing tag is applied.

 

I hit a deer last night. I doubt they will total it, but if they do, should I be in the market for an EV?


Not sure if I'm ready to take the plunge yet...


Was looking at the Ioniq 5's. Not sure if I want to spend that much, though. I'm too cheap.

Also, I drive 200 miles roundtrip to work 2 or 3 days a week. I worry about that too.



Hopefully they don't total it, with it being a terrible market for car buying, and I won't need a new car. Have a 2019 Outback now. It's almost paid off.

 

Lol @ folks falling for the Lexus, Acura, or Infiniti hype.

You guys are exactly the reason Toyota, Honda, and Nissan created those brands.

Take the same engine, power train etc. , maybe tune the engine a bit, upgrade materials to make it look luxurious, jack up the price, market it as high end and lure the suckers into paying premium price thinking they have made it over dudes that drive Toyotas, Honda, or Nissan.

The bones are the same.

There are two things most Americans are guilty of when car shopping: Brand consciousness and being suckas.

 

If you are driving long distances, I would not consider any EV other than Teslas.

Not because I think Teslas are best EV (no such thing as best EV car, depends on what you want in an EV car) but because Tesla has the best and most reliable charging infrastructure.

You are going to be in a world of hurt with the Ionic 5 if you do long distance driving. Third party chargers are horrendously unreliable and frustrating. I am talking from experience. You can also read up about it.

 

+1 million. You can get those 'base' makes with the same premium upgrades for far less than the 'premium' makes.

 

Classless.

 

I was going to throw up a post but I'm still pissed about the call on Sengun's dunk. How can we get to the future when we have people like that ref making decisions for us?

 

I doubt too many people are "falling" for anything since the entire car industry rips people off. I know people like me that bought a TLX years ago when it was among the first vehicles to get a 9-speed transmission that still gets me 35-40 mpg on highway trips. And after 8 years, it's still reliable (except for it eats batteries every couple of years). Honda had no cars back then that had that transmission. Other people will opt for a TLX for a SH-AWD system in that car that you aren't going to find in an Accord. Also, many people are going to pick the interiors of a Lexus or an Acura over a comparable Toyota or Honda. It doesn't have as much to do with "falling for" anything - it's not like people don't know they're similar cars or built on similar platforms. For others maybe a better engine/performance/ride/handling, etc. may be worth it. Others may just want to ride in something that feels or looks more upscale. Everybody's got their reasons.

It's the same with anybody buying an SUV or a pickup - they're getting screwed over on the price. It's why manufacturers make way more profit on those vehicles than cars. So? Maybe you need an SUV or a pickup and don't have a choice. Or guys that buy "performance" vehicles looking like morons getting stopped by every stoplight or revving their engines when people around them are just shaking their heads thinking "moron". lol. Or every time I get into most Teslas and think "you paid what for this interior?" Everybody's got their thing.

 

Thank you for the advice. Really appreciate it.