What will it take to make you seriously consider an EV?

Looks like some sort of reconciliation bill is likely to pass now that Manchin signed off. Big change for electric vehicles is that the $7500 tax credit is now permanently extended with the previous phase outs removed (so you can get tax credits on Tesla, GM and Toyota cars). There is also a new $4000 used EV tax credit as well. They also amended the previous version to apply the tax credit to any car produced in the NAFTA trade area instead of just the US so vehicle manufacturers can largely keep their existing investments in place across NAFTA countries.

 

Any idea if it's retroactive in any way or when it takes effect?

 

I doubt its retroactive. And I assume it goes into effect when the bill gets through Congress and gets Biden's signature. So probably in a few months.

 

Any bill giving us credit on EV is useless. Car dealers would mark up the price to consume that too.

 

Imagine if you had a blank state to start a major city...and during the planning phases you were figuring out how far to space people/communities apart..

Someone suggests miles and miles away..
Another person: but how would they get from point a to point b?
someone else: obviously everyone buys a $50,000 transportation device and we will build insanely wide and long pathways for each single person to travel on.

but wouldn't that get costly and congested...and pollute the earth?

na...we will just make cars that run on battery. and widen the roads.

 

If you're looking for a Sorento. I got a call from fort bend kia about an hour ago that they have a Sorento hybrid for sale on the lot right now. Fort Bend kia only charges MSRP.

The salesman that called me is Louis.

 

Imagine having a blank slate and building against old archaic ways of transporting mass. Planes replaced rails and rails replaced foot. Rails are already obsolete.

 

lololololololololololololololl.



lololol.

 

Again, there are better ways to move mass than rail.

You're basically in the camp the automobile would never replace horse and carriage because there is no infrastructure for automobiles.

Automated EV's are not the only solution.

The average person takes 3000-4000 steps a day. This is almost the bare minimum it takes to survive. Foot traffic is obsolete.

 

I'm curious. What would those be?

 

Instead of faster horse and carriages, we made cars and highways..
and now instead of making cars powered by battery that use the same congested highways...think of another way?
that's the camp I am in.

 

The first question is the mass being transported? People? Products?

Second, obsolescence still requires sustainment. Rail is not going away nor does it mean new rail wont be built. Its becomes less profitable.

Seattle has talked about stopping ICE vehicles in the city and switching to a city run small EV transport service.

What EV's bring is efficiency in the delivery service. A whole lot less moving parts to break down, replace and pollute. This model can expand into cross country electric trains. Instead of plowing down new rails, its simply a large battery pack on four wheels, each car electrically chained to the other.

 

A horse and carriage system is nothing more than 4 wheels and a motor (horse). The motor car offers a better drive train and a motor that lasts a lot longer and has much more power. EV's ring a bell? What would the city of HOuston look like if it had 3 million horse and carriages?
Congested highways is simply another term for a poorly managed logics system. If you could remove half the vehicles in the city of houston and still move the same amount of people at the same occupancy rate per vehicle, would congestion go down or stay the same? This would require people to give up the idea they must own their own personal vehicle, expecially big ass vehicles in which cargo space remains virtually unused.

 

You just made my point.
Glad you finally got on board.

 

Some EVs are not through dealerships, the dealer model is dying.

DD

 

Pretty sure one of the biggest barriers to entry for Tesla was due to pro-dealership laws that favor or require having a large footprint in most states.

 

Car dealership lobbying group is extremely powerful.
The average consumer is not ready to give up the dealership.

it’s the same crowd that go to the ATT store…like whyyy??

I bought my e-tron via text lol
texted the sales guy on Friday and he brought the car over to the house. Signed the papers and he ubered back.
I don’t even know where the dealership is or even drove the car.

 

When is the BYD car coming to the US? That's the car I want

 

Sounds like a sex acronym.