What will it take to make you seriously consider an EV?

I mean building a charging station isn't that expensive. It's just a 50 amp outlet ($30/piece) with 8/3 gauge wire ($3/foot) and the appropriate breaker sizing for however many outlets you are running. I believe 4 40 amp 240 v outlets can be run off 3/0 gauge wire ($6/foot). Electricians will price gouge you on it because that's what happens with anything "green" like EVs, solar, or battery setups.

People think it has to cost an arm and a leg just because it's in that industry. It's mind blowing to see how cheap things are once I started doing it myself...granted I haven't wired up a dedicated 50 amp outlet or breaker yet.

 

Unless I am misunderstanding, I believe its a little more complicated than that. There is metering, construction, engineering, permitting, and installation. That is not taking into consideration the buildings load capacity. Even in residential, installations should be permitted which will automatically drive the cost through the roof.

 

A lot of houses run off 200 amp circuit breaker panels. A 200 amp panel will work for a 4 outlet charging station. Then you would wire up the dedicated circuits from there. Yes of course it would need extra metering and whatever the utility charges for that and for running the 200 amps from the street or however it would need to be done.

I mean yes I'm sure all that red tape would happen just because but the actual installation is not that complex is what I am saying.

Like let's say you have extra space on your breaker at home to add a 50 amp outlet for charging (mind you I never used a 50 amp outlet to charge my 2nd Tesla at home) then all you have to do is add a 50 amp breaker to your box and run the wire off that to the 50 amp outlet wherever you put it. It's the same as installing an outlet for a dryer except more amps.

 

For context, I was referring to commercial or MDU's. These setups will typically require a metering service as the business will not want to incur the charging costs of EV's.

Single dwelling residence is much easier. You're correct, dropping a 240 outlet with 50 amp breaker is not too difficult nor should it be expensive to install. Not all homes have 200 amp service. Mine is 160 amp. I would have to seriously consider a power budget if I was to drop a 50 amp charging station in my home as everything is electric.

 

Power budget is definitely a concern for me as well in the future when we become a two EV household. I'm hoping there will be more 'smart splitters' that automatically switches between two devices, but giving priority to one side. I wish there will be a hardwire junction box version instead of plugs so I can split power from my cooktop and from my oven into two EV chargers.

My service panel is also is on the complete opposite side of the house while my kitchen is right next to the garage, so I would save on wiring cost too. Feeding thick, inflexible 8 gauge wire to my service panel also seems extremely difficult since I'll have to feed the wire through the eave without good attic access. Running whole new wiring would definitely be a two person job. I'd feel comfortable installing splitters myself though.

 

Tesla Fire tracks the company's spontaneous combustion problem

According to Tesla Fire, which tracks incendiary events on spreadsheets, from 2013 to 2023, there have been 182 fires with 53 fatalities, some from accidents and others from spontaneous combustion. The database includes the date of the fire, model of car, year, country, state, if there were fatalities, a description of the event, and the source of the information.​

 

Cars in the US are too damn big.

Big cars need big heavy batteries. Chevy discontinuing the Bolt to make more GIANT TRUCKS....smh.

 

WHYYYYYYYYY

 

a coupe utility variant of an ev muscle car would sell like hot cakes.

just don't make the mistake ford did with the mustang mach-e. suv's are heavier and and look ugly.

 

just missing a ball sack attachment..

 

Its the sad reality of the US. The problem with the current ZEV mandates is that they don't account for the relative gaps of efficiency between EVs. I think the standards should have fleet average Kwh per 100 mile requirements in the same way we have fleet average MPG requirements. The standards should acknowledge that a Hummer EV is an absurdly inefficient EV that should be averaged out by a Chevrolet Bolt (which is above average for efficiency).

 

lol. Play on those stereotypes to win those converters, Elon.

 

NYTimes article about Norway EVs. Some snippets:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/08/business/energy-environment/norway-electric-vehicles.html

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2023/05/08/ev-sales-2023-slowing/70188358007/

Are EV sales declining? Electrifying the car market may be getting harder. Here's why

In March, 21% of new-vehicle shoppers said they were “very unlikely” to consider an EV, up from 18.9% in February and 17.8% in January, consumer analytics firm JD Power said in a monthly EV report. In contrast, the percentage of car shoppers who say they are “very likely” to consider an EV was 26.9% in March, largely flat this year.

Persistent worries about charging infrastructure and vehicle pricing’s dampening enthusiasm, the report said. EV’s market share of all new-vehicle sales dropped to 7.3% in March, down from a record high of 8.5% in February but up from 2.6% in February 2020


I am starting to wonder if the rest of the world will adopt EV at a much faster rate while MURICA lags behind again.....(like we do with public transportation/trains)

 

the contradictions.
the irony.

 

Ive met a bunch of younger guys (20s) recently who would normally fall into very conservative worldview who i would expect to love huge trucks or muscle cars who absolutely view Teslas are their dream cars.

Obviously anticdotal, my anticdote is that young people love swanky EVs for some reason. My guess is its mostly older buyers who shy away, and once the kids get the cash to make their own buying decisions, I expect EVs will do a'aight.

 

Doubling down when you sold 2 of them in the last quarter. Ballsy move.

 

we're waiting for other options other than Tesla. Nobody wants to buy the high mark up 60k puddle jumpers

 

Hybrid cars are the most likely to catch fire
ICE cars are next
EV's are the least likely to catch fire.


Per 100K Hybrids sold, 3400 will catch fire
Per 100K ICE cars sold, 1500 will catch fire
Per 100K EVs sold, 25 will catch fire

 

Assuming you're talking about the autoinsuranceez.com fire study, I'd take that with a huge grain of salt.
https://www.autoinsuranceez.com/gas-vs-electric-car-fires/

It's extremely unclear where in NTSB they got their data in terms of fire count and vehicle type. When Car and Driver contacted NTSB to see if they collected fire data, they said "There is no NTSB database that tracks highway vehicle fires. We do not know what data AutoInsuranceEZ used for its research, but it did not come from an NTSB database.".

When Car and Driver reached out to autoinsuranceez, they did not respond.

I see the result of this study shown all over the place, even the NYTimes reported it, but it is not something I'd trust.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40163966/cars-catching-fire-new-york-times-real-statistics/