1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

What will it take for JVG to have his contract extended?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by NewYorker, Mar 17, 2007.

Page 5 of 6
  1. Outlier

    Outlier Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2006
    Messages:
    8,526
    Likes Received:
    1,350
    Great post. :cool:
     
    #81 Outlier, Mar 18, 2007
  2. NewYorker

    NewYorker Ghost of Clutch Fans

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2002
    Messages:
    6,130
    Likes Received:
    41
    Miami had a higher regular season output than Dallas - in fact, Miami was one of the top scoring teams last year....that's my point.

    SA has increased it's scoring from the low nineties to 96-97 a game. So no, POP isn't outdated.

    Spurs were at least on par in points per game (the median) which is amazing considering they run a slow down offense. From an efficiency standpoint, they are very strong offensively - something our Rockets are not.
     
    #82 NewYorker, Mar 18, 2007
  3. NewYorker

    NewYorker Ghost of Clutch Fans

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2002
    Messages:
    6,130
    Likes Received:
    41

    ???? :confused:

    Let me ask you this. Do you think, if the Rockets had won rings the previous two years....do you think JVG would still be unsigned for next year? Do you think the Rockets brass would say - we don't want to create a distraction now???? C'mon, answer that question first....


    Peace out.
     
    #83 NewYorker, Mar 18, 2007
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2007
  4. blathersby

    blathersby Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2007
    Messages:
    2,316
    Likes Received:
    49
    JVG has been good, and it doesn't really matter what he does. We're #1 defensively, and there's REALLY not anyone better out there. Who else would we get? Larry Brown? JVG is coming back if he wants to.
     
    #84 blathersby, Mar 18, 2007
  5. NewYorker

    NewYorker Ghost of Clutch Fans

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2002
    Messages:
    6,130
    Likes Received:
    41
    I really respect JVG as a person. I really like him, especially for what he did during his Knick years. But no coach can be kept around when they have guys like T-mac and Yao and fail to produce success in the post-season. Even a man like JVG knows that. That's just life.

    If we don't advance to the second round and make a show of it - JVG will and should be out. As most of the poll respondents show on here - i'm well within the majority in stating this.
     
    #85 NewYorker, Mar 18, 2007
  6. macfan

    macfan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2005
    Messages:
    3,318
    Likes Received:
    1
    For all the people who voted "Must get out of first round", what's the difference betwen losing in the first round and losing in the second round?

    Do you get a medal of honor for getting past the first round?
     
    #86 macfan, Mar 18, 2007
  7. NewYorker

    NewYorker Ghost of Clutch Fans

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2002
    Messages:
    6,130
    Likes Received:
    41

    I think the idea is that the first point of being a contender is getting out of the first round - if you can't win a playoff series - the first one which should be against a weaker team if you are a high seed - then you really aren't that good of a team.

    Strong teams make it past the first round. Detroit, Dallas, Phonix, SA, Cleveland will all make it out of the first round - as contenders do.

    So if we don't make it out of that - then really, we can't even compare ourselves as beginning to contend.

    And I think after 3 years of T-mac & Yao, if we can't get out of the first round, then it's time for a coaching change because perhaps it's not a personel issue entirely.
     
    #87 NewYorker, Mar 18, 2007
  8. Patience

    Patience Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2002
    Messages:
    8,214
    Likes Received:
    10,563
    The fact that a majority of posters on a basketball message board feels that Van Gundy should be fired doesn't mean the Rockets management feels the same way.

    What, do you think if somehow 75% of respondents here say fire Van Gundy, Les Alexander will see this and say, "Well the people have spoken, I better fire the coach!" It doesn't quite work that way. And for good reason.
     
    #88 Patience, Mar 18, 2007
  9. durvasa

    durvasa Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    38,892
    Likes Received:
    16,449
    It's actually 2 years, because last year was clearly personnel due to the injuries. And how many players on the team this season were on the roster 2 years ago? Yao, T-Mac, Juwan, and Deke. That's it.

    I don't get why so many people think JVG is on the hot seat. He's a very good coach; one of the best in the league. I think we should try to extend him regardless of how far we get in the playoffs.
     
    #89 durvasa, Mar 18, 2007
  10. Patience

    Patience Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2002
    Messages:
    8,214
    Likes Received:
    10,563
    Come on. "3 years of T-Mac and Yao." Pffft. In reality, this is year two. Yao and McGrady were barely on the court together last year.

    Red Auerbach couldn't have coached that team to the playoffs. For a large part of the season, the rotation consisted of the following:

    Rafer Alston
    Keith Bogans
    Juwan Howard
    Stromile Swift
    Luther head
    David Wesley
    Chuck Hayes
    Ryan Bowen
    Dikembe Mutombo
    John Lucas III
     
    #90 Patience, Mar 18, 2007
  11. fredthered

    fredthered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2007
    Messages:
    393
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ticket sales? Tickets sales...it really is comments like this that make me wonder what people are thinking. Seriously...you think Les Alexander gives a damn about JVG's impact on tickets sales? Is his comb over affecting consecion stand sales, could we have a topee clause in his extension? Seriously. If JVG is the man to lead the Rockets foward on the court, he will be exteneded, if CD and Les determine he is not, then he will not be extended. Tickets sales...
     
    #91 fredthered, Mar 18, 2007
  12. WeBelieve

    WeBelieve Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2006
    Messages:
    72
    Likes Received:
    0
    Good point on the miami thing, however the rockets aren't but 5 spots behind the spurs this yr in scoring. Who do you think could be a better coach option?
     
    #92 WeBelieve, Mar 18, 2007
  13. NewYorker

    NewYorker Ghost of Clutch Fans

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2002
    Messages:
    6,130
    Likes Received:
    41

    The people speak through ticket-sales. Don't underestimate the power of public opinion....

    ;)
     
    #93 NewYorker, Mar 18, 2007
  14. NewYorker

    NewYorker Ghost of Clutch Fans

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2002
    Messages:
    6,130
    Likes Received:
    41

    Doesn't matter. Perception beats reality any day of the week.

    JVG has been here for 4 years. In his first year, Yao/Francis made it to the playoffs and got booted in the first round.

    Injuries, trades, whatever - if you go 4 years without success, the excuses start to wear thin.
     
    #94 NewYorker, Mar 18, 2007
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    128,551
    Likes Received:
    38,774
    Truth in those words, but you have to give JVG credit for the Red Rowdies......that has to help him out a ton.

    DD
     
    #95 DaDakota, Mar 18, 2007
  16. NewYorker

    NewYorker Ghost of Clutch Fans

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2002
    Messages:
    6,130
    Likes Received:
    41
    Yeah, he gets credit for that - but I am not sure it's enough.

    I hope we make it to the WCF - man, it's been painful these last 10 years hasn't it?
     
    #96 NewYorker, Mar 18, 2007
  17. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2001
    Messages:
    16,116
    Likes Received:
    2,811
    Actually, nearly 80% of respondents have voted that JVG should be extended with a simple first round victory or less. You are in fact in a small minority in claiming anything more than a first round victory is required.
     
    #97 StupidMoniker, Mar 19, 2007
  18. denniscd

    denniscd Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2003
    Messages:
    1,122
    Likes Received:
    26
    sold out 20 games so far...ticket sales have been up. fans dont care who the coach is...they want to see teams that win...
     
    #98 denniscd, Mar 19, 2007
  19. BMoney

    BMoney Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2004
    Messages:
    19,271
    Likes Received:
    12,977
    The by-gone era championship coaches in recent years: Greg Popovich, Larry Brown and Pat Riley. How exactly are they different from Van Gundy? They all stress defense, controlled offense from the inside out and discipline. Just like Van Gundy. What does Avery Johnson stress? The exact same things.
     
    #99 BMoney, Mar 19, 2007
  20. TBar

    TBar Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2001
    Messages:
    3,033
    Likes Received:
    1
    Agreed- I do not think Van Gundy is even near the hot seat. I do not think him not being re-signed- extended means anything at this point.

    I'm sure when the dust settles after the playoffs- the question will be how long to re-sign- extend his contact for.

    We have the top defense in the league.
     
    #100 TBar, Mar 19, 2007
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 5 of 6

Share This Page

Style
ClutchFans Dark

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Rockets Content

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now