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What we see vs what really happens

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by aelliott, May 18, 2014.

  1. larsv8

    larsv8 Member

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    This is really what it comes down too.

    People just like to complain.
     
  2. jordnnnn

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    Ding! Ding! Ding!

    How quickly people forget about how our set play offense would often crumble in crunch time and we had no one to turn to.

    Now we have the guy to turn to and people want to go back. When a team has a guy that can execute in the clutch they often go to him over set plays. I have seen Pop give the ball to Manu or Tony more times than I can even count to go iso at the end of games.
     
  3. TheJet

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    Huh? Did you skip the OP? That part about when we ran ISO in the playoffs it was our most successful offense and one of the better PPP in the league?
     
  4. TheJet

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    Yes. This. Not only is the glass half empty, it's stupid, racist and needs to be traded.
     
  5. aelliott

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    What exactly is the complaint? Do you realize that we are one the best teams in the clutch?

    Here's how the team (not just Harden) did in the clutch this season:

    #7 in FG% (43.8%) in the final 5 minutes with a 5 point or less difference.

    #6 in 3FG% (37.9%) in the final 5 minutes with a 5 point or less difference.

    #6 in pts (9.4) in the final 5 minutes with a 5 point or less difference.

    #4 in TS% (58.5%) in the final 5 minutes with a 5 point or less difference.

    #5 in eFG% (50.2%) in the final 5 minutes with a 5 point or less difference.

    Our performance in the clutch isn't a problem, we've been one of the best in the league this year. Why would you complain about what we're doing in those situations?

    If we did the same thing every time but got great results would that bother you? Would you prefer that we went to something less effective just to add variety?

    Or is this because we lost some close games against Portland? Unfortunately for us Portland is also very good in the clutch and this series it went their way.

    http://stats.nba.com/leagueTeamClut...umnOrder=&MeasureType=Advanced&PerMode=Totals
     
  6. aelliott

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    Here's the breakdown of Portland's possessions:

    Pick & Roll : 24.48% 0.87 ppp
    Spot up : 16.27% ppp 0.90
    post up: 11.64% ppp 1.05
    transition: 11.19% ppp 1.31
    iso: 10.45% ppp 0.97
     
  7. aelliott

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    I'm glad you mentioned that because this is another of those perceptions that I keep reading.

    In your opinion, how many times per game do you think that Harden or Lin holds the ball and then kicks it out to a shooter with too little time for them to get a good shot?

    Just give me a ball park estimate at how many times you think this actually occurs in an average game. I'm trying to guage how prevalent people thinks this is.
     
  8. shortfuse3

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    If our ISO is that effective then McHale is the GOAT coach for making it his #1 play down the stretch.
     
  9. TheFreak

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    SAS was 7th in offense this year and the Rockets were 4th. Basically, you have no idea what you're talking about.
     
  10. kuku

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    First of all, 7.83 is NOT iso heavy! It doesn't surprise me that teams with high iso % also had coaches who aren't any good on X's and O's. Mark Jackson. Brooks. McHale. Imagine if they shared the ball more and iso'ed less like Spurs? Their D would be so much better!

    Again, you are just posting stats WITHOUT understand the psychological side of the sharing the ball on offense. Why do you suppose Rockets always made sure Dwight got his touches and got him involved in offense even though he is below average in offense? What happened to Harden when he didn't get touches in Game 2? It directly affect they play on D b/c they become disinterested on BOTH ends of floor!

    7th in offense? as in scoring? Pace adjusted, see what you can come up with.

    What does that have to do with anything I posted? I guess you had no idea what you had read.
     
  11. larsv8

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    That is pace adjusted, its points per 100 possessions.
     
  12. TheFreak

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    I guess I failed to notice your join date prior to replying. Major red flag.
     
  13. zipcrash

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    data needs to be broken down more to come to a better conclusion.
     
  14. aelliott

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    So, 7.83% is not iso heavy but 10.34% is?

    No, actually I am just posting facts that refute the statement that you made:

    Golden State isos more than most anyone so based on your statement then their defense should be close to the bottom of the league. Not only isn't that true it is actually near the top.

    Ditto for OKC and Houston.

    All it takes if facts to refute your statement.

    What are you talking about? Harden got 19 shots in game #2 which is more than he averaged in the regular season (16.5). How do you figure that he didn't get touches? His usage rate was 27.8 that game.
     
  15. aelliott

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    Houston was #4 in the league in scoring per 100 possessions at 108.6 pts.

    San Antonio was #6 in the league in scoring per 100 possessions at 108.2.
     
  16. TheFreak

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    ^^

    ae, bb-ref actually has them at 7th.
     
  17. tinman

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    Wow, thanks brother for the hard work.

    we'll figure out the right Formula next year.

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/ZFJGXEaKHFM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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  18. Pieman2005

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    It's insane how we have access to stats like this
     
  19. aelliott

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    It's even more amazing that that. If you actually pay for a Synergy subscription you can see the video of every play in each classification.
     
  20. kuku

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    Shame on you for replying posters with late joined date and totally derailed my post. What a waste of my time!
    The different between top team and bottom iso % teams is merely around 5 %. So in the context of 2.5% difference (between Rockets and Pacers), it's huge. That's about the same difference between Pacers and Spurs.

    Again you are pulling stats and not watching the game. Do you not remember Harden looked disinterested when Dwight was getting most of the touches and scoring in the first quarter? in general players do need their touches on offense to play better on the defensive end. It's about share responsibility and after all, basketball is still a team sport.
     
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