There's no direct relationship between Casspi + Greene and Ariza. If Artest stayed in Sac, he would also sign with the lakers when his contract was expired. We still could sign Ariza. Also, we signed Andersen because of Yao's injury. Nothing is related to Artest's trade. In addtion, if you watch some kings' games, you would know that Casspi + Greene are not worse than Bud + Taylor if they're not better.
Your thinking he would have signed in LA. No one knows. Thats why this thread and any support it gets is full of it based on thoughts of what it would be like. He wanted money, plain and simple. If he stayed with Sac, then Ariza might have stayed in LA. If we didnt buy any picks, that might have changed the whole outcome of who gets picked up. What if the Hakws didnt want to trade Andersen because now they picked up someone different. You never know what might have happened if a little change happens, changing the course of the way it effects other people.
How many games played and minutes averaged would a guy like Caspi even get? Not closely as much as he is getting in Sac town. And Greene whose had one year to play in the nba?? No cause and effect with you, huh?
If only trades were so simple. Plus, the Kings still suck and we got to the second round of the playoffs. Seems okay, to me.
Not true. Currently, kings are a 500 team. Actually, they are competing for a playoff spot this season.
not at all, its a different route, that if taken, shows where we could be now instead of how we are now. All you are doing is taking the draft pick that could have been ours but is now someone elses and not to mention someone elses decision, not our draft decision.
Greene's stats this season is quite impressive. He has played 16 games, and started for 8 games. 0.514 fg%, and 0.415 3p%. Casspi's stats, 23.6 MPG, 0.515 pg%, 0.512 3p%. There are both efficient players.
In some rockets fans' mind, Morey is a genious, but other teams' GMs are all stupids. Unfortunately, that's not true.
If we didn't have artest, we probably would not have made the second round of the playoffs. The extra revenue from those two playoff series helps the team and allows us to make moves like buy second round picks.
Most money used for buying 2nd round picks is from China because of Yao effect. And, if we had Casspi + Greene, there would be no need to buy those 2nd round picks.
Well, I know its a bit of a reach but I think we would have at least had a chance at Casspi(pick at or under 23). From the Sac games I've watched, he seems legit. Hes definitely a step quicker than Budinger and I think he has better handles and has a better shot. Anyways, my point isn't that we necessarily lost Casspi in that Artest trade but that the fact that most people seem to still think we gave up garbage for Artest last year is incorrect.
Most of us assumed that Artest, Yao, and Tmac would be contenders together. With Artest's bird rights, we'd could keep the team together long-term if it worked out. It didn't work, but for the price of two low first round picks it was worth a shot.
I am not going to complain about the trade. Role players are a dime a dozen. We need to worry about getting out tim duncan or lebron.
The Kings deserve credit for drafting well. They got 2 contributors with late picks, the odds of that happening are small and they did a great job scouting and drafting. With that said, neither Casspi or Greene look like anything special yet. All these two have proven is that they can be role players on a team, the kind of players we can pick up by buying a second round pick or the rights to a second round pick (Scola, Landry, Andersen, Budinger). Ok Scola and Landry have evolved to beyond role player status, they are vital cogs to a good team's success, guys who can carry a team on a given night. If Casspi and Greene ever get to Scola and Landry's level, then we can start feeling bad about the trade.
It WAS Houston who drafted Greene. Cassipi is more of a PF than a SF, so there's no guarantee that the Rockets would've drafted a tweener with that particular pick. If you want someone to play SF, you're doing well to make the argument that Greene will definitely be a better player than Budinger, and you're doing exceptionally well to suggest that Cassipi is an out and out SF (he's not). Looks like Greene and Cassipi might be 'rotation quality players' in the NBA, but NEITHER of them is an all-star; and NEITHER of them is going to win a championship as the main player - they are role players. Budinger is not going to be an all-star, nor win a championship as the main player, but, just like these 2 guys, he's a role player who looks to be 'good enough' at NBA level. No use crying over mid level NBA talent... Assuming we kept Greene and made all the same moves, this would be our current lineup: Brooks, Lowry Ariza, Greene, Taylor, McGrady Hayes, Andersen, Dorsey, Ming Scola, Landry, Cassipi, Cook Battier, Budinger, Someone would need to be cut to make the roster 'work' - so we'd be shelling out extra lux tax dollars for what purpose? A third string SG and PF? Excellent.
