What trade chip do you want to hold onto the most?

haters gonna hate

 

Just like you, just a different player. Sengun is one of the worst 5 man defenders I’ve ever seen in my life. Let’s see what happens under Ime, maybe he can figure it out

 

Keeping (see how they look in Udoka schemes...all appear good fits)
Jalen Green
KPj
Jabari
Tari Eason

Listening
Sengun
Kenyon

Send it (trade em)
Tate
Josh Christopher
TyTy
Garuba
Nix

Trading out our lesser rotational players for upgrades (make room for FA's)

 

Agreed! Those bottom guys gotta go!!! They will definitely shop KJ and Sengun. Well done bro

 

Then you haven’t watched much basketball. Sengun is below average and with the right coach will probably attain average this year.

 

I’ve watched plenty, I’ve played plenty. He brings nothing on that end. Most guys who can’t protect the rim can at least be switchable or be able to bang with big bodies. Sengun is bad in drop, bad in switching, and gets dominated big centers (JV, Nurkic, etc)

 

If Sengun was closer in play to Al Horford I might consider
placing him in the top category.... unfortunately Sengun has
half his skills.

Horford is a good 3-point shooter

Horford defensively scored well in isolations and Udoka
let Horford cover perimeter players. I don't feel Sengun
would perform nearly as well.

Sengun has the greatest trade value on the team.....allows
us to attach the lesser players to him as a means of getting
more back.

I'm told KPj is toxic and nobody wants him.

Jalen Green is also seen as a bust....but notice every
team wants him. I'm not trading him.

 

He's not as bad in space as you're saying. He's a bit below average when he's out on the perimeter. You're right he doesn't play well against big centers and doesn't bring much rim protection. The former is at least addressable through strength training. As for the latter, he won't be a shotblocker, but he can still contest and be in the right spots.

Just a reminder that Brook Lopez came into the league as a garbage-tier defender and he gradually worked his way to the point where he made all-defensive first team. Sengun will never be 7'1", but it is at least possible he will get a lot better defensively by utilizing his IQ and positioning and getting stronger physically.

 

Boring. maj21 using every thread to continue his hate campaign.

 

Brook has great length to protect the rim and not get demolished by big centers in the post

 

Exactly! Sengun does have great trade value, while having extreme weaknesses in his game that will hold this team back. He’s a guy you have to build around to cover up for his limitations, and I don’t think he’s worth it. Dude is undersized and slow, bad combination!

 

Like how you do with KPJ. Can you say hypocrite?

 

No. I said I will wait and see what Udoka wants.

Also, Sengun is a much more promising player than KPJ and has not shown any character issues.

You just cannot snap out of your evident bias.

 

I chose Segun. A lot of ya underestimating him, say we trade him and he flourished somewhere else this board will become unbearable lol. Segun is the rockets best playmaker and I’m curious to see how he does under IME. Also as much hate at porter jr gets he’s gotta be one of the most talented players on the team.

 

My core is...
- Green
- Smith
- Sengun
- Eason

Adding a good young PG, and you can build something special. These guys have another couple of years before we really start to see their potential.

Porter, has come a long way and ideally would be my 6th man. If he's willing to accept that role, then I'd add him to the core, because I don't think he's someone Stone could get value for in a trade. That could change in 1-2 years if he continues to develop.

Washington deserves a chance to earn the backup PG position this season.

Martin, Tate, Garuba and Christopher can serve roles, but it's really up to Coach Udoka. Christopher has potential still, but I'm just not sure he'll ever realize it. Garuba can be your 11th or 12th man. Tate is a solid energy guy who brings some unique skills off the bench. Martin is a highlight waiting to happen, but his deficiencies make him the last guy I'd retain.

 

Do you believe the stuff Udoka said about Porter?

If so, why not believe what he said about Sengun?

 

I'm no SOF, but if you watch, know and play so much ball, how are you criticizing a 20 yr old who outplayed an MVP Jokic the last time they met. He's only getting better. Can't wait to see how Udoka uses him.

 

Just keep Sengun and Green unless Luka or Giannis become available.

 

Most people when they rank players from untouchable to most willing to trade it's just a ranking of players they like most to like least. That's mostly a waste of time to me.

Trades are about getting more value back for your team than you traded away. That's mostly based on perceived value vs reality for your team. So no, if people around the league think we should waive KPJ, you probably can't use him as the centerpiece of a Jaylen Brown trade.

It's often the right move to trade players that are perceived to be playing well even if you like them. Like trading Kevin Martin and picks for James Harden. It's usually a bad move trading a player that has value but is perceived poorly at that moment like trading CP3 for Westbrook

So, for me I'd be least interested in trading Tari because his reputation is more of a dirty work bench role guy on the worst team in the league. In reality, you could argue he was our best forward this year. To a lesser extent, I would also put KPJ in this group. I suspect his trade value is very low after past conduct issues and being miscast as a PG. But, he's been our best shooter and advanced stats say he's been on of our best players. If he was moved off ball more and coached to play to his strengths he could really help this team better than any scraps we could get back for him.

On the opposite side, I'd be most willing to trade Tate and KJ Martin. Tate is a nice hustle role player but isn't good enough at any one thing to warrant big minutes. But, he's been getting big minutes for the rockets and it seems like other teams really value the 6'4 PF. I hope we trade him this summer because if he's playing significant minutes for us again this year it's because we're terrible again. KJ is almost the opposite because I could see him playing with many teams. The problem with KJ is that he doesn't really do the little things. Everything he does is loud. He gets all the highlight reel dunks and blocks. But, he's not consistent with his 3 and doesn't defend. He's also more of an undersized 4 since he doesn't have a handle or really any perimeter skills. That's not to say I don't like those players, I just think other teams value them higher than their real impact for the rockets.

I'm actually fine moving some of our more promising prospects for the right deal because the league will properly rate them in trades. Jalen, Jabari, and Sengun are our most discussed players and everyone around the league believes they will grow into more than they are now. So, if say Dallas made Luka available, I would have no issues trading Jalen Green.

 

I'm gonna say it. KPJ is becoming really underrated and overhated by now.

I really have issues with people still saying he's a "cancer" and "problem child". Dude seems to have slowed down his life outside basketball and has settled and matured. Is he a starting pg of the future? Undetermined but I'm starting to believe that if he is asked to change roles, he isn't going to do what he would have done a few years ago. Seems like he's going to buy in.