I'd have to see a picture of you beforehand, but the general outline is ok. What about Elvis? Interesting personal notes, but pretty much irrelevant. Which of those relationships or choices denies your posts are consistently anti-American? Having relationships or living in a country does not prevent you from showing obvious bias.
What a tiresome and miserable little man you are, Hayes St. Typical insecure male challenges a woman's credentials and "biases" when he has nothing else to offer in a discussion. Your obvious biases tend toward the emotionally unstable pissant variety, but why point that out? Seems pretty obvious that your panties are almost permanently in a twist about something, usually in the direction of defending poor little 'Merica from mean old London (USA! USA!). Your arguments are easy enough to refute. I guess that's why you broke out this drivel. I am surprised you didn't call her one of your witty names... Look, I'll save some of your valuable time and accept some sort of brilliant "I know you are but what am I" response from you in advance. Now, run along. Smoke a cigarette. Die. That is all.
Elvis-- If you bothered to actually read dimsie's posts, she is generally complaining about the systems in the US. I have yet to hear her utter one positive thing about how we run the country. Listen up, Elvis...pay attention...you'll be better off that way. Actually dimsie is from New Zealand...London is nowhere close. Pay attention Elvis. You're a class guy.
Pssst, Refman, Elvis is dimsie's husband. Elvis was referring to the fact that HayesStreet lives in London.
hey...i saw that on saturday afternoon!! really sad..but uplifting that the doctor in arkansas was able to treat it effectively. i would agree..it was quite an indictment for the australian health care industry...essentially, it sounded to me like everyone over there just said, "well...that's all we got!"...so they were forced to incur the expenses of travel to get to a doctor that COULD treat her problem in the US.
please don't mischaracterize my post like that...and there is no need to be incredulous..really... you are certainly allowed to criticize the USA...you don't EVER have to say anything good about it...ultimately, it doesn't change my opinion much. i would say, though, that it just all runs together after a while. when i NEVER see anything EVER posted positive about something the US does relative to the world from you, i don't take the opinions real seriously (not that you care, or even that you should care). sounds more like an axe to grind in some measure than it does real logic. juxtaposed to Grizzled...who presents his argument in a very real and rational way...very structured...but isn't a constant anti-US voice here. poor america?? absolutely not. no one is asking for sympathy...and i'm not asking you to validate your viewpoint...simply saying that your argument loses a great deal of merit when it sounds exactly like every other argument you make which rails on the US for something. i don't know a ton about this...i've learned a lot from Grizzled about alternatives, and I'm sure I could learn a lot from you. the message just seems to get lost in the sarcasm somewhere, though.
Dammit...wrong again. PUBLIC APOLOGY TO ELVIS!!!!!! HayesStreet...I'm a smoker...trust me second hand smoke IS really bad for people, children especially.
MadMax intoned... sounds more like an axe to grind in some measure than it does real logic. *Def Com 5 Pot calling kettle black alert* Puh-leeeese, Madmax! Don't talk about axes to grind and logical arguments when you turned this thread about the state of US healthcare for people who don't have insurance into some handwringing and whining about Dimsie's *feelings* about the US. Twice now! Where are your "real" and "rational" arguments about the topic at hand? I haven't noticed any lately. Anyway, I would be incredulous, too, if I ever had to justify my motives for posting. Kind of insulting. I wouldn't accuse someone of being a greedy pig if they disagreed with universal healthcare, for example. Is her tone any nastier than a lot of other people on this board (like the violent anti-war guy (ha!) who would kick your ass to save his neice from war with Iraq )? Where was your kind consul then, Madmax? (No problem, Refman...Paul Bosch is my hero!)
OK, so you think I'm the treeman of the Left. To quote Moon Unit Zappa, whatever! Some of you are starting to sound more and more like Dale Gribble, though. I would be concerned, if I were you.
A great man...did a lot for the city of Houston in regards to pro wrestling. Not to mention that he did do one bad thing...he saddled us with Mattress Mac.
Madmax said: i would agree..it was quite an indictment for the Australian health care industry...essentially, it sounded to me like everyone over there just said, "well...that's all we got!"...so they were forced to incur the expenses of travel to get to a doctor that COULD treat her problem in the US. Interesting story. Are we trying to prove something with an isolated example? I work evey day and literally talk to dozens of people a week who would get better care in Austrailia than in Houston Texas since they don't have medical insurance. Do you need some counter examples? BTW what source was that from? Often you see these stories planted in the media when the public relations firms of the insurance industry are trying to convince people that the unisured are better off without national health insurance. Of course they can't convince the 40 million or so Americans without any type of insurance of this nonsense. They will take anything!! So usually they focus on trying to scare those who have insurance (voters) that they will be forced to take some sort of inferior national insurance instead of their supposedly superior private insurance. Sorry if the tone is emotional, but like unlike some of the persons on this thread, (I'm not referring to you specifically, Max) I can't help but realize that it isn't only street people without insurance; that many of these people were working until they got health problems that caused them to lose their jobs and their health insurance that they had it through their work. Some posters above mentioned COBRA which is insurance you are eligibel to buy if laid off and therebye lose your insurance.. For a couple in their middle years the premiums can easily rung over $800 per month. After a few months, even many middle class unemployed people can't afford it, unless their spouse has a very good job. I bet for instance that even some of the Enron and Worldcom employees are in that case now. Some of the above posters make it seem like the only people with out health insurance are: the homeless (read it is their fault), the mentally ill and those who fail to take care of themselves by taking holistic remedies, eating organic foods, or failing to refrain from dangerous activities like rollerblading, dirtbiking. What a young middle class (yuppie) centered point of view.
Oh dear God...please save me from the conspiracy theories. Fight the future glynch. Actually a yuppie is a young upwardly mobile professional. They tend to be well into the upper middle class to the wealthy.
No, he said 'smoke a cigarette and die.' That is referring to first hand smoke. He knows I smoke and wants me to die rather than to dare speak out against his beloved dimsie.... Who rattled your cage? When you're adult enough to eat at the big table we'll let you know. WTF? How is saying 'your posts are consistently anti-American' in ANY WAY based on 'typical insecure male'-ness? Why is it NOT relevant to point out a poster shows a consistent bias? You are stupid. 'The emotionally unstable pissant variety...' You make quite the intellectual argument there, Elvis. Then do it, jackass. Refute my post that Dimsie is consistently anti-American in her posts on US foreign or domestic policy. Or continue to make silly comments with NO analytical value like 'smoke and die' or 'we all hate you.' It suprises me you recognize 'wit,' although I wouldn't be suprised that you're constantly on the receiving end of it. But that would make your posts COMPLETELY WORTHLESS. You make no substantial points to refute, so I should at least get to make fun of you... Elvis, in all seriousness don't worry about it...If my woman left me for NEW ZEALAND, I'd be a little on edge too... Bottom line is that your credibility IS an issue when you express your opinion. There is nothing in my post about Dimsie in this thread I will not defend as fact. Comparing your post to mine quickly resolves the question of who makes substantive arguments and who exclusively name calls. If you want to shout out that she is irreproachable, then you are wrong.
Originally posted by Refman Oh dear God...please save me from the conspiracy theories. Fight the future glynch. LOL. Poor Glynch, your life must be torment.
Elvis -- i think you have me wrong here...while i do argue for free market economics here, i'm not closed off to new ideas about healthcare. as i mentioned, i think grizzled makes some really persuasive arguments, and has gone a long way toward changing my previously very negative view of state supported health care. my point with dimsie was merely that arguments lose some merit when they can be blend in with every other argument made, just substituting the issue at hand. if that makes me a hypocrite for saying that, fine...i'm not above being human here or elsewhere...and i have no problem having my biases pointed out to me...we all filter the world through different glasses, i suppose...the ones i grew into filter in a way that puts me on the opposite sides of various issues with lots of folks here...as long as the argument can be kept in the confines of simple debate, that's fine. i see no need for constant sarcasm and personal jabs...and i certainly didn't intend for my posts to dimsie to take that character. but i can say with a great deal of certainty that i have no axe to grind on this issue whatsoever...i will admit i have a lot to learn on it. i think i already did admit that.
