Can you please single out whoe Jerry West drafted in that period? I honest don't know the answer. But somehow I felt that percentage were higher...
When arguing for Redick, I agreed with you and it took around a week for even myself to get annoyed with your stubborn "beat it into the ground" even if its wrong mentality. Now however it has only taken me 1 day to become annoyed with your blind posts trying to reassure everybody that the Rockets franchise is better with an older, less athletic player. Before the draft if I told you that we were trading the rights to JJ Redick and Stromile for Shane Battier, you probably would've gone ape****. And JJ will be nowhere near the player Gay will be in this league.
Shane Battier and his 10/5/1 is a commodity compared to a guy (Swift) that already puts up those numbers and a projected impact player? I'm not saying Rudy Gay was guaranteed to do anything in this league, but the chances of him becoming more than a 10/5 role player are pretty good, plus there is a legit possibility that T-Mac could be done by the time his rookie contract is up. That coupled with a depleted and aging bench is a chance you do not pass up for a role player .
Haha - excellent post here. Spin this deal all you want, Dakota, but the Rockets did not get enough value out of having the #8 pick. That is the worst part of it. The unlimited ceiling on Gay's potential just makes it even worse if he does develop into a superstar. I have come to the conclusion that as long as Gumby is coaching our team, that we are never going to get any younger or any more athletic. The sooner that tool is gone, the better it will be for us Rocket fans.
Might want to check you facts there DaDa. Battier was drafted in 2001 and West joined the Grizz in 2002. Some time around February 2007 you'll suddenly lose your desire to be self-righteous and realize how much we were robbed.
Argh.....I thought I scored some points there. I am not self righteous, I just don't see a 19 year old kid helping the team that much in the first couple of years. DD
I have wanted Battier for years, you can search for posts about it. I would have kept JJ though, but the Rockets are trying to win now. I respect that, and will hope that they fill the rest of the roster up in free agency. DD
Battier is the prefect fit for us and next seasons record will prove that. YOU"LL SEE!!! The point is to win now and in the future. Battier helps us do both. He's 28 he brings shooting,Defense,heart, and a very high basketball IQ. He brings all the things we were lacking last season and he will be a big part of this teams great season next year. Go Rockets!!!
Sorry, DD, but that link only tells who the picks were, not how they turned out. Try this one instead: http://82games.com/nbadraft2.htm According to the somewhat subjective evaluation of the author, only 12.5 percent of lottery picks are busts. The overwhelming majority (63%) are at least solid starters. The above only applies to lottery picks, of course (the top 14 each year). But that was what we had in Gay. So Gay had a 63% chance of becoming at least a solid starter. The chance that he will be at least a bench player is even better: 88 percent. And there is an outside possibility of him becoming an all-star. I will take those odds any day, thanks.
Terse, I agree, but that does not help us during Tmac's best years ...the next 3-5, well at least not for the next 2 years. Not many 19 year old players are impact players in the NBA, just a select few, maybe Gay is one of them, but odds are against that. DD
i was so happy when we picked up gay, but given some time to read some posts and mull it over, im happy with picking up battier im happy with picking up battier im happy with picking up battier im happy w<GZZZZT> ill be much better if we try to flesh out our team more. if we somehow got mike miller in the deal id piss myself but thats unlikely (the pissing part isnt). if we got cash to make some deals itd be even better. id like to pick up jared jeffries, greg buckner, and maybe kelvin cato. mike james if hes willing to sign for less than the MLE. and a unicorn and a puppy too. hopefully though we can get at least 3 of those guys (buckner as a 2, starting or bench, jeffries as long defender/rebounder and cato as our wannabe enforcer/yao backup)
It has been reported CD had a deal in place where Minnesota drafted Roy for us. We were going to draft Foye and send him and Luther or a future #1 for Roy. The blazers found out, they wanted Roy so they drafted Foye to kill our deal. Personally I dont mind the deal. I think adding stro was a bit much but think the rox made the demand he be included. I just dont see the griz asking for him back or turning down the deal for battier/gay alone. Hopefully the rox have some good plan for the salary they save by shipping stro. Wait and see. Battier will help this team immensely when tmac and yao are in their prime. Gay might be good down the road, but everyone would be complaining like crazy next if we kept Gay and he didnt do much for us this year when hopefully a healthy tmac and yao would make us legit contenders. We now have two superstars and a nice third option and solid defender. I think battier can average 15 a game for us. he is a good shooter and is gonna get a lot of good looks. Plus he can guard the best perimeter defender when tmac is out or needs a break.
Yes but in battier we now have someone who has a 100 percent chance of being a solid starter. Never an all star, but we have two of those already. I will be shocked if Gay is an all star during the next 5 years, which is about when you can expect the best out of yao.
OK...let's substitute "hard-headed" for "self-righteous". Regardless, like was pointed out by another poster, if it had been leaked that we'd draft Redick and trade him for Battier you'd have been incredulous. And statistcally, Gay has a much higher upside than Redick. Otherwise, someone would have drafted Redick before Gay. I can't put a positive spin on Mutumbo being Yao's primary backup and we have zip trade assets to SnT Mike James (or anyone else) so the MLE signing is the only substantial thing we have to improve the roster. Trading 2for1 was absolute suicide.
Stop lying to yourself. Battier will be another Wesley, which is actually quite good, but certainly no third option.
We just killed ourselves mightily. Now we have the worst PF tandem in the league along with no depth at all. Ahh, one can only wonder what might have happened had the Rockets not won vs the Nuggers.
Also, I think the Rockets are going to get many more new faces, by hook or crook. At least I hope they do. DD
