Mulder was traded for Dan Haren, who later was traded for a ransom (including Chris Carter, CarGo, & Brett Anderson), and then they traded CarGo for Holliday, who they traded for Brett Wallace. Don't you like how it comes full circle?
Thanks for that history lesson, I really appreciate it. I wonder if you could do a 6 degrees of Brett Wallace, haha!
They were a contending team with them from 1999-2004... and they remained a contender after them in part because of the prospects they received in all the trades. The bottom line is that you needed them to begin with to start the cycle of all these years without bottoming out. Similiar magic happened with the Braves with Avery-Glavine-Smoltz and then Maddux. I definitely think that part of the cycle continues when you do TRADE your best players that you possibly can't afford to keep, vs. keeping all your guys and letting them get old or injured on your team.
How can you guys hate the Rangers?! They've built their team the right way. Through the draft, international signings, trades, and lastly free agency.
Anything to do with South Oklahoma sucks. The entire DFW area sucks therefore all teams associated with said areas suck. In all seriousness it mostly has to do with the arrogance of the fan bases and overall people that live in that area, not a hatred for the organizations. Unless it's Mark Cuban, Then it's just about him. I still hate the fact that Nolan Ryan is apart of the Ranger's FO. Kills me every time they cut to him eating behind home plate.
Unfortunately yea alot of Cowboys fans are Idiots There are Rangers fans that are Idiots. But you know what there are also Texans fans who are just complete idiots as well as Astros fans. Every fan base has their morons but you can't generalize everyone into the same category. I respect the Texans and the Astros. Doesn't mean I like them but at least I respect that there are some good fans out there for every team. I just think its stupid put put every fan in the same category just because they root for a certain team. I love my Rockets but I also love my Rangers and Cowboys. I admit we have some idiotic fans but what fan base doesn't? Even our Rockets have some bandwagon idiots but we have to put up with them. Theyre like that family member that nobody likes not even you but theyre your family so you gotta stick with them. Anyway I'm not from Houston I'm from the RGv and those are my teams through thick and through thin.
I think our approach is more or less like the Cardinals than Nationals. Maybe thats because Luhnow ran the Cardinals, but the Nats really lucked out with their 2 #1 picks...they have a lot of huge signings like Werth ($126 M I believe), so I think we're different in that manner. We're not gonna shell out to FA like the Nats do. Cardinals have more depth, IMO, than the Nats.
umm, disagree. the other things that blow about Dallas include, but are not limited to, the freaking cowgirls, snobby people, and, well, *Dallas*.
Because it's not baseball. I still can't reconcile the Astros being in the AL. I keep thinking time, good prospects, and eventually a good club will heal the wound. And then I'll catch myself reading the headlines, and then I catch myself getting hopeful, and then I remember that punch in the nuts when 50 years of NL history was flushed down the toilet with zero regard for the fans, and then I just get depressed and pissed off all over again. I know I'm beating a dead horse. Sorry, y'all. Just....ugh.
No doubt all teams have their idiot fans. I don't think idiot fans make a team hated though, teams that are hated are almost always teams that have won multiple championships and have fans throughout the nation. Who are probably the most hated teams in sports? Cowboys, Yankees, Lakers. Now the Heat are definitely in that category but that is more about lebron than the organization, if lebron left no one would really care about the Heat anymore one way or the other. Look at it this way, the Cowboys are easily the most hated sports team in Houston and yet if you go to Dallas you would have to search and search and search to find people who "hated" the Texans. It isn't that tough to figure out why. If you go back to the original post and the reference to "rivals", then some say our rivals were ripped away from us by Selig. Let me say first that if I had my choice i'd rather be in the NL, but to say we lost all of these rivals likely doesn't ring true outside of Houston. I mean what team's fan base would say their big rival is the Astros? We talk about hating the Cards, and Cubs and going farther back the Dodgers. You really think if you went to one of those cities and asked their fan base at a bar, what team do yall really hate, you really think they would say the Astros? I don't. That is the one thing I do like about the move to the AL, when we are good again in a couple of years I really hope the Rangers are still good also, because after several years of both being good we could develop a true rival, and have a situation where fans on both sides hate the other. THAT would be fun
There is a certain culture to Dallas. There just is. I'm not keen on it. With Rangers fans, specifically, it's the fact they did not exist except in legendary tales involving footprints and murky photographs until recently. Now every fat eff in Texas is walking around in a Ranger shirt with a baseball knowledge stretching back all the way to 2011. It's annoying. I'm annoyed by it.
You are absolutely right. That said, I don't give a damn what resonates with folks outside of Houston. :grin:
that's certainly part of it. I've told this story before...I'll tell it again: I was in law school walking out of class one night with a guy from Houston and a guy from Dallas. Dallas guy is going on and on about this and that being built "in Dallas" (none of which of course was ever actually built IN Dallas). He was talking about how great it was gonna be. And the other guy from Houston says, "It can be absolutely great, but it still won't matter...you'd still have to live there with those miserable people." I have family and friends from Dallas...and yet that still resonates.
That is because they are too busy talking about how good they are going to be this year and how they have such a great tradition and ignoring the past 15 years.
