1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

What should we do with Giles?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by cangrejero51, Apr 25, 2016.

  1. kaleidosky

    kaleidosky Your Tweety Bird dance just cost us a run

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2002
    Messages:
    15,084
    Likes Received:
    1,352
    I have to think they were going for chapman all out if not for the poorly timed (and generally bad) assault thing
     
  2. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    48,042
    Likes Received:
    14,285
    Some guys take different routes to get "ready" for the season... and getting scheduled outings in ST in the 2nd or 3rd innings, with no semblance of pressure or save situations around, is really hard to extrapolate anything... especially when he had similar numbers last year.

    At this point, I really hope its mechanical/injury related... that's far easier to fix or rehab than a broken brain.
     
  3. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    17,242
    Likes Received:
    13,116
    Demotions are not typically morale boosters. Neither is beating up on AAA talent necessarily. If steady work somewhere else to work out something, then OK. But comments to this point have our staff as well as Giles himself always saying everything is fine and not to worry, which is not indicative of a mechanics issue that simply needs working out.

    But who knows?
     
  4. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    48,042
    Likes Received:
    14,285
    Agreed... if he's truly sucking and is a mental case all stemming from not being the closer to begin with... how the hell is him being back in AAA for the first time since 2014 going to feel?

    But again, something needs to be done. At the very least, Harris should be getting these opportunities until Giles can put together a decent run of games (let alone just one freakin 1-2-3 inning!)
     
  5. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    107,137
    Likes Received:
    155,629
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A.J. Hinch met with Ken Giles this morning. The manager will &quot;ease the burden&quot; of the 8th inning off the struggling reliever.</p>&mdash; Jake Kaplan (@jakemkaplan) <a href="https://twitter.com/jakemkaplan/status/726476181491474433">April 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Astros to 'ease the burden' on struggling reliever Ken Giles <a href="https://t.co/5jVfWpFH77">https://t.co/5jVfWpFH77</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/HoustonChron">@houstonchron</a></p>&mdash; Jake Kaplan (@jakemkaplan) <a href="https://twitter.com/jakemkaplan/status/726494022726868992">April 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
  6. mick fry

    mick fry Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2013
    Messages:
    19,343
    Likes Received:
    6,875
    Maybe some hardwood to start wearing down those incisors to start with then a pitching coach.
     
  7. Snow Villiers

    Snow Villiers Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2015
    Messages:
    16,873
    Likes Received:
    16,100
    Ship him out like Ty Lawson.
     
  8. kaleidosky

    kaleidosky Your Tweety Bird dance just cost us a run

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2002
    Messages:
    15,084
    Likes Received:
    1,352
    wow, would that be dumb
     
  9. conquistador#11

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2006
    Messages:
    36,059
    Likes Received:
    22,512
    giles makes me appreciate the, chad qualls.
     
  10. snowconeman22

    snowconeman22 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2008
    Messages:
    14,053
    Likes Received:
    16,003
    Well I hope he doesn't pitch today if the score stays close .
     
  11. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    17,242
    Likes Received:
    13,116
  12. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    48,042
    Likes Received:
    14,285
    Yep... poor velocity/location on a fastball without much movement.

    The slider is his best pitch... but hitters have no reason to worry about it because his fastball is that hittable right now.

    You also don't want him to have to try and throw the slider for strikes... it takes away from the effectiveness of the pitch (much like Lidge's good slider, it looks like a fastball... but has the late break out of the zone that hitters will swing/miss on). Of course at this point, with hitters looking for nothing but fastballs, he will get away with a looping "in the zone" slider that usually deserves to get crushed.
     
  13. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    17,242
    Likes Received:
    13,116
    I wonder if he could be telegraphing his pitches? One would think our catcher would pick this up if it were the case.

    He would be in a better spot if he has a 3rd or 4th pitch to throw. Maybe he wouldn't be struggling at all if that were the case.
     
  14. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    48,042
    Likes Received:
    14,285
    If he had a quality 3rd or 4th pitch... he'd be a starter.

    I just think hitters are sitting/guessing fastball... and are clobbering it when they're right (which given his pitch selection frequency, gives them a greater than 50% chance of being right).

    If he doesn't get better speed and/or location on the fastball, he's going to continue to struggle.

    They still look silly at times on the slider because its designed to look like the fastball... but if he throws that pitch solely or too much, or the batter simply decides not to swing, he's going to walk a lot more guys as well (and as of late, he's had a lot of 3-ball counts that forces his currently sub-par stuff in the zone).
     
  15. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2000
    Messages:
    21,622
    Likes Received:
    6,257
    Don't play him anymore.
     
  16. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    11,066
    Likes Received:
    14,912
    Can't believe they put him in that situation. Plenty of other arms they could've used.
     
  17. Prize Closet

    Prize Closet Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2015
    Messages:
    747
    Likes Received:
    1
  18. snowconeman22

    snowconeman22 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2008
    Messages:
    14,053
    Likes Received:
    16,003
    Gotta send him down . He needs to get his mojo back in the minors , the team cannot afford to try and help him gain in back in games that count .

    He either has lost command or speed of his fastball .... Or has a mechanical issue in which he is tipping his pitches .

    To be fair , I didn't watch him pitch tonight . It's entirely conceivable he is just suffering some ****ty luck . But bad luck is bad luck , and he needs to try and work off that voodoo in the minors . He can get back to pitching frequently and getting into a groove .
     
  19. roxallways

    roxallways Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2008
    Messages:
    16,797
    Likes Received:
    9,338
    He's bringing a bad energy to this team. I knew the game was likely lost when he came in with the Astros just up by one. Can't afford to coddle this guy and try to get him going at the expense of the team.
     
  20. mkahanek

    mkahanek Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2001
    Messages:
    3,300
    Likes Received:
    1,881
    What can we do with Giles??? hmm See if he can spin a nice pink cotton candy and put him to work in concessions.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now