What Should We Do About A Lying Billionaire Who Dominates the Free Press?

Just boycott everything advertised on those programs. Stop participating collectively in a system and it must change.

 

Agree -- as long as you also are including similar organizations like moveon.org, New York Times, Huffington Post, Daily Kos, NBC-MSNBC, CNN, Time, Air America, PBS, etc. etc.

 

Link? TIA.

 

It's the same link as your statement regarding "lies."

 

CNN? Time? PBS?

To quote what I said in another thread:

In fact, with the exception of PBS, almost all news channels can be considered to have an inherently conservative bent because they're all massive capitalist entities.

CNN, Time, and PBS are not the equivalent of FOXnews. They are not the flip-side of some partisan coin.

 

Your opinion, both here and in the other thread ... not my opinion in either place. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

 

This is a standard tactic in the defense of FOX - just chalk everything up to opinion. But the reality is that there are factual standards that can be used to measure bias - # of guests, intensity of guests, story selection, etc. And from those, we see that, in fact, FOX is not simply the flipside of CNN. That said, the standards you choose can contain bias in them as well.

However, no FOX defender ever finds factual standards to defend their conclusion. It's always "oh, it's just different opinions".

 

I see more liberal guests and analysts than moderate or conservative guests and analysts on CNN, PBS or NBC. That's probably why Fox has a greater viewership than any of the three -- and perhaps the combined audience of all three. But then, when all is said and done, ratings are a conglomeration of opinions, are they not?

 

As many have said before, you are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts. You honestly don't seem to get the distinction.

 

That is true for everyone, including you.

 

It's not my opinion. It's the conclusion that any person observing the situation closely, without the blinders of partisanship, would arrive at.

 

I honestly don't know why I bother with you. Your responses amount to "I know you are, but what am I?"

 

You see that, but the factual studies out there say otherwise. And you may very well be right and those other studies biased or flawed, but why isn't there any data supporting that? There are plenty of groups that want to show this leftist bias - but anytime FOX is compared the other networks, it never seems to come out as two sides of the same coin. The bias is always much, much greater on one side.

That's the problem - you're trying to put your opinions based on what you see on the same level as much broader factual analysis.

 

As with your unbiased pollsters, I am curious as to who produced these "factual studies."

 

I am merely agreeing with you and extending your opinion.

 

Of course the problem here, as always with you, is that what you are really doing is confusing opinions with facts. It doesn't matter if you believe the sky is yellow. It is blue. That is not my "opinion." It's a "fact." See how that works? I'd think it would be simple enough even for you.

 

thumbs, I frequently have CNN on as "background noise," but I still have my ears working. What you said about them is simply not true. When Ted Turner was their owner, I might have been inclined to believe it, but no longer and not for years. NBC? That argument could be made for MSNBC, certainly, but not the national news, in my opinion, with is essentially a cookie-cutter version of the other two network programs. PBS? In my opinion, they are more unbiased and fair than either CNN or MSNBC. You just don't like what you hear.


Fox is an absurd joke gone wrong.

 

How do you link "what you are really doing is confusing opinions with facts" with "you are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts?" Facts are not malleable in my world but they apparently are in yours. It seems that in your surreal world your opinions are always facts but my opinions are always merely wrongly held opinions. Where is the logic or fairness in that kind of narrow minded thought?

That's why I said I agree with your original statement with the logical extension that "you are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts" .... unless you want to admit that you make them up as you go.

 

I get my facts from a variety of news sources: NPR, The NY Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, Political Wire, 538.com, Politico and Talking Points Memo to name a few.

You get yours from Fox News and the freaking Tea Party.

CASE CLOSED.

 

Like you, Deckard, I watch different news channels during the day. Since much of my work is computer-based on a stop-and-go basis, I have the television going right beside my monitor from early morning to late night. I listen to different news shows daily for perspective, which is why I have formed my own opinions on their respective content. I prefer Fox, even though I absolutely hate the way some of the hosts shout down guests. It is both rude and counter-productive in exploring viewpoints. The only saving grace is that Fox airs those differing points of view -- IMO -- more often than their competitors.