I think the US has to explain to South Korea that North Korea is on China. No more trade. No more flow of people. No more flow of goods. Bad harvest in North Korea? China's problem. Recession in North Korea? China's problem. Natural disaster in North Korea? China's problem. The US has already lost The Battle of the South China Sea - it's been conceded over to China. So, there is no bargaining chip there. If South Korea does not want to go along with this kind of policy, then the US packs its bags and heads out. No sense in Chamberlaining our way into a disaster. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...showed-off-one-by-one/?utm_term=.c1dea2a88729
Hey-ya, B-Bob.... ...been awhile...been busy with other stuff (you know, Trump-protests mostly)... ..but remember what I said about how much fun it would be to have someone in charge of our nuclear arsenal who was on board with using them...? Nuclear war has become thinkable again – we need a reminder of what it means - Paul Mason (theGuardian) As Trump faces down North Korea, it’s alarming to think that most of the world’s nuclear warheads are now in the hands of men who are prepared to use them. @paulmasonnews Monday 17 April 2017 09.45 EDT Last modified on Tuesday 18 April 2017 09.38 EDT Last week, Donald Trump deployed his superweapon Moab, the “mother of all bombs” – 10 tonnes of high explosive detonated in mid-air in such a way as to kill, it is claimed, 94 Isis militants. The Russian media immediately reminded us that their own thermobaric bomb – the “father of all bombs” – was four times as powerful: “Kids, meet Daddy,” was how the Kremlin mouthpiece Russia Today put it. But these are child’s play compared with nuclear weapons. The generation waking up to today’s Daily Mail strapline – “World holds its breath” – may need reminding what a nuclear weapon does. The one dropped on Hiroshima measured 15 kilotons; it destroyed everything within 200 yards and burned everybody within 2km. The warhead carried by a Trident missile delivers a reported 455 kilotons of explosive power. Drop one on Bristol and the fireball is 1km wide; third-degree burns affect everybody from Portishead to Keynsham, and everything in a line from the Bristol Channel to the Wash is contaminated with radiation. In this scenario, 169,000 people die immediately and 180,000 need emergency treatment. Given that there are only 101,000 beds in the entire English NHS, you can begin to imagine the apocalyptic scenes for those who survive. (You can model your own scenario here.) But a Trident missile carries up to eight of these warheads, and military planners might drop them in a pattern around one target, creating a firestorm along the lines that conventional Allied bombing created in Hamburg and Tokyo during the second world war. I don’t wish to alarm you, but right now the majority of the world’s nuclear warheads are in the hands of men for whom the idea of using them is becoming thinkable. For Kim Jong-un, it’s thinkable; for Vladimir Putin, it’s so thinkable that every major Russian wargame ends with a “nuclear de-escalation” phase: that is, drop one and offer peace. On 22 December last year, Trump and Putin announced, almost simultaneously, that they were going to expand their nuclear arsenals and update the technology. Right now, a US aircraft carrier strike force is steaming towards North Korea (the DPRK) to menace Kim’s rogue regime. We don’t know what secret diplomacy went on between Xi Jinping and Trump at Mar-a-Lago, but the US is sounding confident that China will rein the North Koreans in. What we do know is that Trump has been obsessed since the 80s with nuclear weapons, that he refuses to take advice from military professionals and that he seems not to understand the core Nato concept of nukes as a political deterrent, as opposed to a military superweapon. This sudden mania for speaking of nuclear warfare, among men with untrammeled power, should be the No 1 item on the news, and the No 1 concern of democratic and peace-loving politicians. The video fireworks on US cable news channels have progressed in the space of 10 days from cruise missile launches to bunker-busting airburst p*rn. One US news host referred to the former as “beautiful”. I will always remember the Botoxed faces of the US news anchors when they arrived in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. It was as if they had been woken up from a dream, and the best of them realised how they had been sleepwalking towards the disaster. Katrina shows what happens when a disaster hits a fragile, poverty-stricken and socially fragmented city. In New Orleans, for a few days, civilisation fell apart. Policemen, suddenly called on to haul their overweight frames into self-sacrificing and arduous work, quit on the spot. The modern equivalent of lynchings happened. Central government and unified military command of the situation broke down. My experience there convinced me that, in the event of mass fatalities being inflicted on a developed world city, the real problem would be social chaos, not mass radiation sickness. Trump is ramping up the military rhetoric for a horribly simple reason: two weeks ago, the isolationist wing of his team got outflanked by generals; they tried some war to see how it went down and it went down well. We may get lucky. It may be that the Chinese leadership is prepared to put serious pressure on North Korea to prevent Kim’s regime staging some kind of provocation against the US navy. Or we may get unlucky: the DPRK has a nuclear weapon, even if the missiles needed to deliver it are unstable. It has been human nature, given the scale of devastation a nuclear war would bring, to blank the possibility from our minds, to worry about small risks because the big one is incalculable. But from the 50s to the 00s, we had – in all nuclear powers – military/industrial complex politicians who understood the value of multilateralism. All around us high politics is becoming emotion driven, unilateral, crowd-pleasing and falling under the control of erratic family groups and mafias, rather than technocrats representing ruling elites. For the warmongers, true multilateralism is a serious annoyance; that’s why so many of the world’s autocrats are busy forcing NGOs to register, cutting off foreign funds to them and decrying the presence of international observers or sabotaging their work. If Theresa May wanted to send a useful message at Easter it could have been: in compliance with the non-proliferation treaties, we will never use our nuclear weapons first; we will stick to diplomatic and economic pressure to get the DPRK to comply; and we will use our own, independent diplomatic clout to strengthen disarmament and non-proliferation. That is what a responsible nuclear-armed power would do. The UK’s silence as Trump toys with military escalation and nuclear rearmament is criminal. • This article was amended on 18 April 2017 to correct the spelling of Keynsham.
I'd feel more comfortable if we didn't have a buffoon running our own country who makes Kim Jung-un look like a seasoned diplomat.
Aircraft Carrier Wasn’t Sailing to Deter North Korea, as U.S. Suggested WASHINGTON — As worries deepened last week about whether North Korea would conduct a missile test, the White House declared that ordering an American aircraft carrier into the Sea of Japan would send a powerful deterrent signal and give President Trump more options in responding to the North’s provocative behavior. The problem was, the carrier, the Carl Vinson, and the four other warships in its strike force were at that very moment sailing in the opposite direction, to take part in joint exercises with the Australian Navy in the Indian Ocean, 3,500 miles southwest of the Korean Peninsula. White House officials said on Tuesday they were relying on guidance from the Defense Department. Officials there described a glitch-ridden sequence of events, from a premature announcement of the deployment by the military’s Pacific Command to an erroneous explanation by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis — all of which perpetuated the false narrative that an American armada was racing toward the waters off North Korea. By the time the White House was asked about the Carl Vinson on April 11, its imminent arrival had been emblazoned on front pages across East Asia, fanning fears that Mr. Trump was considering a pre-emptive military strike on North Korea. It was portrayed as further evidence of the president’s muscular style two days after he ordered a missile strike on Syria while he and President Xi Jinping of China were finishing dessert during a meeting in Florida. The saga of the wayward carrier might never have come to light, had the Navy not posted a photograph on Monday of the Carl Vinson sailing through the Sunda Strait, which separates the Indonesian islands of Java and Sumatra. The picture was taken on Saturday, four days after the White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, described its mission in the Sea of Japan. The Carl Vinson is now on a northerly course for the Korean Peninsula and is expected to arrive in the region sometime next week, Defense Department officials said. The White House declined to comment on the misunderstanding, referring all questions to the Pentagon. “Sean discussed it once when asked, and it was all about process,” said a spokesman, Michael Short. Privately, however, other officials expressed bewilderment that the Pentagon did not correct its timeline, particularly given the tensions surging in the region and the fact that Mr. Spicer, as well as the national security adviser, Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, were publicly answering questions about it.
So was Pence in Korea all this time thinking if SHTF, he can helicopter over to the Carl Vinson? LOL!
Trump’s missing ‘armada’ finally heading to Korea — and may stay a while https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3a9596dca7b_story.html?utm_term=.fb761c5cc3df
Seems like an easy thing to keep track of and accurately report the position/ heading of an entire carrier task force. E ring to the west wing must be like a game of telephone with 100 people in between--sad!
CNN, yes, that liberal hellhole, right? has a piece up about how the strategy just might be working, especially given China now threatening fuel sanctions for further nuclear tests. http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/opinions/trump-north-korea-everard-opinion/index.html
China has a grip on almost 100 precent of rare earths, and will likely be happy to take North Korea's rare earths when the country is in chaos. They will likely take what they can, while the south will come up an take what they can, territory wise. China doesn't gain anything by protecting North Korea. We are their ally more than they are at this point. The US also needs access to rare earths, and so does Japan. Almost everyone benefits from Regime Collapse. Since outside pressure isn't working... they may need to act together. The US can provide the air support and missile strikes on key nuclear operations to prevent anymore development. This needs to be done because at this rate, yes North Korea will achieve miniaturization. While their tests failed, don't underestimate them. They may be trying to appear toothless to buy time, by keeping the public laughing at them and not taking them seriously as a threat.
Don't know what is more troubling... the miscommunication about our military forces and strategy, or watching Sean Spicer's miscommunication about our miscommunication... White House denies misleading public in aircraft carrier mix-up http://thehill.com/policy/defense/3...-misleading-public-in-aircraft-carrier-mix-up
